This thread is potentially one of those smug-sounding ones, so look away if you're not in the mood

[emkana]

dd went to a friend's house for tea today.

They had
Fish fingers, chicken pieces, chips and tinned pasta shapes. Followed by a doughnut.

Absolutely no veg or fruit whatsoever. Not even beans ffs! Surely it could at least be offered? Just a teeny tiny cocktail tomato even?

are pasta shapes really part of the 5 a day! if they are i feel better as sometimes that will be all dd will eat and im trying to force her to eat apples/grapes/melon in a bid to be healthy

not a problem at the moment as the hunger strike is over and she is now eating me out of house and home!

My children have never had squash (dd has had about 3/4 FS in her life, if that counts as squash).

But they often have meals with no veg in sight. What's the problem?? I just don't get it.

having often had visiting kids refuse all my exotic meals (eg Shepherds Pie with broccolli) I generally do safe iceland style stuff, although we never BUT never eat it as a rule (Iceland? On dairy free / gluten free / SN? I WISH LOL) so I wouldn't assume too much

www.fruitshoots.com

Ingredients
Water, Orange fruit from concentrate (6%),Peach puree from concentrate (4%), Citric Acid, Acidity regulator (Trisodium Citrate), Preservatives (E202, E242, E211), Vitamins (C, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, B6, B12), Stabiliser (Xathan Gum), Sweeteners (Aspartame, Acesulfame K), Flavouring. Also contains a source of Phenylanine.

aha well that's 10% fruit juice towards your 5 a day

so if they drink 10 fruit shoots a day is that one portion of fruit?

Nul Nul

Where's cowmad just when you need her???

Oh well my kids know that they only get squash when friends come over, it is a treat in our house as they get water usually (but I have found some kids want squash) Also I have done a fish finger/chicken combo, when I wasn't sure which they would prefer or when I didn't have enough of either. Usually I will offer beans over hoops as you can count beans towards your 5 a day

However tonight mine were left late at a friends and she ended up having to share out her kids dinner to feed mine, I felt awful, so they had spag hoops, one fish finger a few chips and a spoon of peas each!! I felt REALLY mean as her kids didn't even get any chips!!

DS1 is on a low salicylate diet so I always do the same thing when friends come over - chicken pieces either pan-fried/nugget-ed by me or oven baked, home-made oven chips or mash or pasta, and green beans, peas and/or carrots. This seems the most other-child-friendly of our generally apparently unusual diet.

But I always serve veg and always offer fruit before vanilla ice-cream (my standard other-child treat pudding).

So is it not OK to give some children some of the adult's wine then? I must tell my dad that - He recently said he would give ds (22 months) any wine even though ds had asked for it but would wait a bit until he was older - say 2 or 2.5yrs old and .

Also my mum gave ds chocolate buttons just before bed when she was looking after recently him to get him to go to sleep without crying - Well it worked as she said

And you lot are complaining about no vegetables !

ahhh - typing crap - would't not would

My kids do not react to fruit shoots. I allow them to have them occasionally when out. I object (but only silently) to my MIL stocking them in the house so that if they go there they are potentially drinking them one after another.

I offer juice/water/high juice squash to visiting children.

my dd invariably has water but has the odd fruit shoot, do get bad looks when we go out and she has a fruit shoot bottle (generally if out and stuck i buy her one as she can do the spout, she only little, and empty the fruit shoot out and put water in, not brill but better!)

Lazycow, what on earth is wrong with chocolate before bed? (unless you mean, after the child has brushed their teeth). I was brought up on bedtime chocolate and my children are brought up on it now too. They don't get it every night necessarily, but certainly most nights.

I know I shouldn't be back on this thread as it wound me up too much last night, but I really do wonder about our obsession with food these days. Chocolate, biscuits, cake and even squash has a perfectly acceptable place in our diets IMO. If you look at those charts that show how much of each food type you should eat, you still see the carbohydrates featured I believe.

no it was after teeth and just before going to sleep

I had no problem with it anyway as my mum loves ds loads and was just doing the best she could.
One night with chocolate and no teeth brushing certainly won't give him cavities - now my lacsadaisical approach to teeth brushing might

I will also be fine ith it if my dad wants to give ds a sip of alcohol at 2yrs old - though I appreciate I am probably not average in my view of that.

I think my point in reference to the OP was probably that I wouldn't be worried that ds wasn't getting vegetables elsewhere as he gets loads at home and I wouldn't make any assumptions about how the other family eat until I seen some more of it. You can't judge someone's diet based on one meal.

Tried my staple fish fingers with hoops + veg the other day. Visiting kid did not want broccoli, or peas, but said he liked carrots. Dutilfully put on plate, but not eaten. Then he said he only liked RAW carrots. For pud did staple and safe bananas and ice cream, only to find out that...he didn't like bananas either! Give up sometimes.

Still, maybe that was better than the kid who said she didn't know what spagetti hoops were as they ususally had stir frys in her house, but then proceeded to eat them all. (Her mum will no doubt shoot me now for contaminating her little darling)

I would serve pasta or pizza when my kids have guests. Simply because I can't be doing with the fuss. That would have little or no veg - perhaps some raw carrot or cucumber but more often than not that would all be left over at the end. Often I'd do a 'nibbles' meal when they were younger - breasticks, chicken nuggets, chunks of smoked sausage, cheese cubes, apple slices, grapes, cucumber etc. Everything eaten apart from the vegetable matter usually.

But not ideal I must admit and not for everyday.

I have to eat my words now. Somehow I managed to forget to make the children any supper today - suddenly realised at nearly 6pm. So they had spaghetti with pesto and grated cheese - barely a vegetable in sight, and loads of salt. Tut-tut-tut. Did my best to redeem myself by giving them each a tub of fruit puree for pudding.

Baaaad mummy!