The New Festive Christmas PUDDLE,

[ShakySingsMerryXmasEveryone]

Here we are, a lovely shiny, new thread just in time for Xmas.

Gratuitous pic of the cake I will make in the image of Jeffrey Dean Morgan grasps at straws

aaaaahhhh! Another Grey's convert - are you watching from the very beginning or are you on the latest series?

Patrick Dempsey, as much as he is attractive, is not a patch on.....Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

The Denny storyline, without a doubt, is ridiculous but my god, I have never cried so much.

I only discovered Grey's in October, I am currently on Season 5. I did as many free trials as I could before stupidly committing to Blockbuster online (forgot to cancel in time and am now stuck with them!) It is worth it though, my life would be duller without Mc Dreamy, Mc Steamy and co!

ffs - apologies for multiple posts, it told me there was an error and to try again

Starting on series 1. No spoilers please!

I am in a vile mood brian they should stick hormonal pregnant women on the front line, no violence just alot of ranting, im sure someone would surrender.

Dp still a twat, my Mums annoyed me too, when i had ds, nearly SIX years ago, oh and he was my first and in nicu I had dp stay with me at the hospital until he was asked to leave every day, my Mum patronisingly says to me today i cant do that this time, well duh mother, believe it or not i DO remember i have two children to care for wether its directly or not, im stewing about it and the more i think about it the angrier i feel, not blowing my own trumpet but my dcs come first in fecking everything i do!!

dreamy my dd would be so jealous she's fascinated by horses, I've not rode since i was about 6, my Mums friend fell off and was badly hurt so she stopped me going.

empress tell her she has.... roughly 33hrs until i go into hospital.

Oh and another reason im angry i thought i was all organised and id only forgotten the most vital part of my hospital bag, sodding maternity pads, im clearly in deial about the least glamorous part of motherhood. And to add to my chaotic day tomorrow twattystateman has to go have his dresings on his toe changed, the drs is near my Mums, 30 mins away, where we are dropping the dcs after ds finishes school and will stay round there for a while but NO he books it for the morning

No spoilers at all don't worry - it is a fab show, enjoy!

State breathe deeply and erm....no, I can't help, I'm no use

My mum doesn't want me to have a VBAC as is worried at the risks, but will happily let me have a CSection - you know, major abdominal surgery, because it will be planned. She is getting quite huffy about the VBAC and has used the line "there's not only yourself to think about this time round"....like I'm not bothering to take my daughter into account The main reason I want a VBAC is so I am back on my feet quicker than with a C-Section. Problem is, mum is my birthing partner - a task she is eager to take, if it's a C-Section. If I get the go-ahead for a VBAC, what the hell do I do? Go it alone? I can't have her there all worried about what might happen and stressing. I need support ffs!

Now is not the right time to broach the subject for various reasons, but come the new year i will have to sit down and discuss the situation and make her understand that if she can't accept me wanting a VBAC, then she can't come in with me - I need support not stress!

I have a box of chocs I won at my Work Christmas raffle

Oh I have maternity pads left over State. If you were closer I'd bring them round for you.

And Brian, if you were closer I'd happily be your VBAC partner!

- its reminded me of when I had to send dh out to shop for my hospital bag (after ds was born ) , I was cracking up at the thought of him at the checkouts buying breast and maternity pads!

Ah the joys of other peoples opinions, obviously i don't know your history as such but I can't see why a VBAC would be a bad idea, your dd is older so your scars had a long time to heal and if your in the right mindset for a vbac theres no reason it couldnt be a fantastic experience, i was encouraged to take a csection with dd as I'd only had ds 16mnths previously when she was born, and a vbac would have meant heavy monitoring and no water birth/being active which i wanted and this time i have the two previous scars, however VBAC was still an option, but for me the risks of VBAC are that fraction to high, thats ME personally not any other pregnant after a csection. Does any of that make sense or am i rambling. Also i get extremely anxious and stressed at the unknown and mentally a csection is just the best option for me as its what i know, im struggling enough not knowing if this babys a boy or girl, i'd loose the plot not knowing when it would arrive!

thank you.

I'm watching twilight-eclipse, hoping it will calm the rage.

I'm freaking ouut bad something bad will happen between now and dc3 arriving totally irrational but my brother was stillborn just 2yrs ago so i cant help but have it in my head.

oh god bonkey i don't think i could ask dp to, he would he's mr unphased by stuff like that i just have ishooos i think ha!

State I had too.
Ds was born at 4.42am and I had nothing because the mite came two days before I was due to pack my bag and do shopping , didn't have time to have ishoos

I did chuckle at the thought of him doing it though....

Brian I hope all goes well for you!

Dreamy thank you

State I had a brain aneurysm aged 16, was told I'd never be able to give birth naturally as it was the unknown and no medical professionals would be willing to see what would happen with the pressure on my brain. Same advice aged 25 having DD. 9 Years on, advice has changed and if you had your aneurysm 'clipped' there is no evidence of vaginal delivery causing harm, when assistance is given and mother is monitored closely (assistance being shortened 2nd stage labour - no more than half an hour pushing, then use of forceps)

I understand my mum's pov, i really do....but I also know that there is no way on earth the Consultant, Registrar and the Neurolical team would let me have the VBAC if they though I was at risk - they wouldn't do it for the fun of it.

I have a 9 year old, I want to be back on my feet asap after the birth, not dependent on everyone else (this has been my bugbear recently, my loss of independence, stupid but true!)

The Neuro team have yet to say yes, so they may actually insist on CSection, in which case I will happily go along with it as I know what happens and DD was a very positive experience.

I just need my mum to stop offering an opinion based on her fears (which I DO understand, I am her child, I get that!) and realise I am a grown woman who is taking medical advice and not just making a rash decision because I feel like being awkward! rarrrr.

As for your fears - totally normal, I remember having my date confirmed (23rd Dec) and the run up to that, the last week, I was convinced something awful was going to happen. It didn't, of course, but I coudlnt shake the feeling. with your family history, it is even more normal for you to feel a bit vulnerable ((hugs))

x

bonkey i believe that is the reason self service checkouts were invented, men buying pads and tampons

brian i completely understand your pov and as you say if the professionals allow you to go ahead with a VBAC it must be safe, if they had one tiny fraction of doubt you'd be 'encouraged' as they put it to me 'we'd really encourage a section state...'
I really hope you can talk your Mum round, when you put it all the way you have here i'd hope she'd understand, however as mums ourselves its hard not to get her opinion.

I do however completely understand your feelings re. lack of independance, im far more snappy and irritable because i cant do things for myself, stupid things like i dropped my sock this morning, simply putting them on is hard enough work, if it wasnt the fact that dp is signed off for some time and despite his current twat status is actually great around the house and taking over full care of dcs id have pushed for a vbac, but that said my recovery with dd was really quick, and pain free.

State. It's natural to be worried, keep your mind occupied by posting random shit here.

Brian, I can completely understand why your mum is so worried. I think I would be too in her position, but if the professionals say it's ok then it really must be - they wouldn't risk it otherwise. I'm sure your mum will be a supportive birth partner for you, even if she still doesn't agree.

Bonkey, well done to your Dh! Mine would have been on the phone every 5 mins asking what colour the box should be, how many do I want, what size, is this a good deal, etc! He did actually have to go out and buy me an enormous bra after I had Ds1, and I was stuck in hospital with massively engorged breasts. I had no nursing bras and none of my normal bras fit any more. He did a good job, considering we had no idea what size I would be!

Every time I get a bit grrr about it, I imagine what I would do if it was my DD and I was watching her make a medical decision that I deemed risky. I really do get it, but at the same time - I ain't silly. A good chat once xmas is out of the way, but before we go to see the consultant in Feb to get the yay or nay to VBAC (the last thing I want is to have the discussion after getting the go ahead, when tensions could be high)

I am stubborn and gobby and hot-headed. I am being quite good with keeping my grrr ness to myself

Right, off to bed, DD is starring in the Junior Christmas production tomorrow and Weds, I've tickets for tomorrow and my parents go on weds. I heard DD singing in the bath earlier and was moved to tears, it was so lovely!

I shall report back, in full non-stealth boast mode tomorrow

Good night all.

oh dear dreamy thats has just given me a right laugh, i've banned dp from underwear shopping with me as its the only time he acts like a stupid 20 something, lots of hands up as though cupping boobs saying this looks the right size, imagine that in mothercare

i should seriously go to bed i wasnt asleep until gone 3am last night and then was up at 7.30, have to be up at 7 tomorrow too, but then hopefully ill be shattered tomorrow night and fall asleep early and stay asleep.

Night brian enjoy the show

I've said you have to have seen it before you go to bed on Tuesday, State.

Can't wait to hear about it, Brian.

Your really determined with this aren't you empress if they pull it off you'll be the one to tell our family ha!

It's a game.

If Olivia pulls it off and then finds that her taps are running gin instead of water that will be interesting but no, I just think it's fun. And that you're going to have a gorgeous DC with the perfect name.

It would be great to have anyone at HQ join in

I can't sleep, I am totally wide awake!!

Ds ear ache is back poor thing and he looks so sad, have given him calpol and he's settled again, looks like ill be trying to fit drs in tomorrow for him too.

ACK! LT has woken with a chesty cough and a sore throat. Off to GP...

I am so bloody stressed out I could cry, trying to get all organised and yet again dps messed it up, his Dr now wants to see him Christmas fucking eve, he thinks this is reasonable, and he won't be long (its an hour round trip dumb arse), I however feel the urge to wok him upside the face. I just feel like a huge inconvienience to him and dd is really grumpy and just keeps screaming and moaning and hitting me.

Hope he feels better soon, Tee.

::locks State's not so dear other half to the twat bench::

I hope he enjoys driving himself to the doctor, since you'll be much too busy with the new baby.

LT's throat is a bit red and his lungs a bit gunky so I'm to keep an eye and if he seems much worse, fill the script she gave me. She was fantastic with him, actually getting him to talk, which he usually doesn't do with people he doesn't know well! I may request her in the future when it's not an urgent matter.

Tee I don't drive, and even if I could I wouldn't be a few days after surgery, so I hope his fecking toe hurts! He's so together usually and organised and calms me down, but right now he seems oblivious to everything! I've told him there's NO WAY he is leaving me with all 3 dc so soon so he'd better organise someone to watch dd or take her with him (no favouritism but ds is totally independant wrt toilet/getting a drink etc she isn't yet)

My mum brought me cookies and millionaires shortbread so that may calm the rage/stress/hormones.