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Any experience with alcoholism in your family? Just need to know I'm not on my own.

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rainbow · 31/08/2003 11:13

My DH has always drunk on a regular basis. He's Irish and it's the 'norm' in his family. I am made to feel unsocialable and 'stuck up' for want of a better word, because I rarely drink now. Over the last two or three years DH's drinking has got a lot worse and it is effecting our marriage, his job, his relationship with the kids and his health. At the begining of the year he starting having alcoholic fits and finally admitted to being an alcoholic, something I had known for sometime. He went to AA but gave up after 2 meetings, tried to do it on his own but after a few days he would find any excuse to start again, he found one, my grandma died, he had a stressful day, the kids had wound him up. He seemed genuinly disappointed in himself when he had drunk but I had a lot "this is a one off" which tended to last a week at a time. He had asked the hospital for help on more than one visit but he was always refered to someone else. One doctor referred him to a psychiatrist, she gave him a phone number to ring, the drug and alcohol service. That's as far as it went. Finally 6 weeks ago I had had enough and packed my bags ready to leave. Again we had the pie crust promises, "I will give up on Monday", I thought my mind was made up, I had had 6 months of "...on Monday". I stood up to walk out the door, the car was packed the kids strapped in and he stood in my way, picked up the phone and dialled the alcohol and drug service helpline. My mind and heart were now at war. I stayed until his 1st assesment, then his 2nd, I filled in the forms for him to go into detox and his follow-up in rehab. I took him to his appointments and dropped him off at the detox clinic and I will pick him up when he's finished his detox next week but I have this doubt in my mind. I know how determined he says he is but will this work? I cannot continue living like this. I cannot watch him die. My mum used to work in a pub and we would regularly visit. Many of the people I met there were alcoholics. I worked in the shop opposite Mum's pub and many of them then came in to shop. I watch a few men mainly, slowly kill themselves with the drink, slowly bleding to death, turning yellow etc. I can't watch my DH go through that, yet if he is determined and does manage to kick it, I don't want to leave. I feel that I cannot leave at the moment, I know how much he loves meand the kids and I know giving up alcohol is incredibly difficult. I feel that I would be leaving him when he needs all the help he can get. His family all drink and his mother is a recovering alcoholic, but none of them support him. They ridicule him and eat away at his self esteem. If I left now he would have no-one. I feel like a fool staying. I know a few people in abusive relationships where I think if Dh did that to me I would not be there but now I'm on the inside with people saying that about me it's totally different. Help!

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ninah · 22/06/2005 13:22

Rainbow I am so very for you. You have been so very brave and you deserve a lot better. You have done the right things all along. Now that it is in the hands of the police you must do as advised change locks etc. A move away might be good, a new start sounds called for. Wishing you continued strength and future happiness

WideWebWitch · 22/06/2005 13:24

So sorry to hear this rainbow.

Rainbow · 22/06/2005 13:30

I have decided to listen to my head. It knows best. Logical and straightforward. My heart feels guilty and sorry for him as he has no where to go and no one to turn to. I still love him, I just don't like this side of him and there is no way I can live with him.

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ninah · 22/06/2005 13:33

I think you are right
People can change, I believe, but when it has come to this you have ton use your head and harden your heart for the good of all of you

Rainbow · 25/06/2005 17:40

Yes, I think people really can change I've seen it, but only if there want to. Unfortunately DH doesn't want to.

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Tortington · 26/06/2005 16:56

i have an uncle who is a drunk. he drinks on friday afternoon - everyone sees this as "trying" to cut down. i think he is a fuckwit. he has a long term partner who has her own house but stays at his a lot. she wants to be his carer - i equate it to a fat feeder thing Iykwim. he has a broken hand at the mo he fell when drunk, 4 weeks ago split his head open, fell when drunk, a few months before than broken leg - fell off a pub wall when drunk.

we dont speak, my kids don't kow him. he is THE wittiest funniest person i have ever met, its hard not to be around his persona. but fgs he is 60 now and its just a bit sad.

zebraZ · 26/06/2005 17:12

HI Rainbow, just read your updates.
Love isn't like hollywood films. Love doesn't fix anything, it doesn't overcome everything. It doesn't conquer all. Please don't feel it was your fault (Al-Anon will echo that). YOUR LOVE CANNOT FIX HIM. That's not your fault, it's just a hollywood myth making you think that love is all-powerful (blardeeblar, load of tosh, life doesn't actually work like that).

And just because he's a drunk doesn't mean he doesn't love you & them, but just because he loves you/them doesn't mean he is allowed to treat any of you the way he has.

I know you're worried about your sons & I would be, too. You know all the Al-anon sayings apply, Serenity Prayer about the things you can and cannot change, Work on Today not tomorrrow, etc.

Good luck...

essbee · 26/06/2005 23:13

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Rainbow · 03/07/2005 14:47

Thursday - He was up in court, don't know all the ins and outs but it was adjourned. Bail conditions still stand, no contact with me or the kids, not allowed near the house or school.

Friday - He phones me at work, my colleagues have been brilliant,if he has phoned then they haven't put him through. Friday, I was covering the phones. I spoke to him, he told me he loves me and wants to come home, I told him no. He begged me and tried to make me feel sorry for him, he said we can work this all out and would I meet him. I got in a state and they sent me home from work. I phoned the police. They did look into it but his mother said she had phoned me to ask to see the kids and his sister backed her up. The police said they know this is bull but there is no way to prove it. Dog sitting again for Mum and Dad so have not be at home for the weekend.

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Rainbow · 08/10/2005 13:41

He finally went back to court after breaking into my house and trashing every room. he cut an artery doing it and going from the amount of blood all over my house and garden, he is incredibly lucky to be alive.
He was sentenced to 3 months in a rehab clinic (back christmas eve), 6 months follow up with CDAS (community drug and alcohol service) and a 12 month supervision order. It's quite a nice feeling not worrying whether he will phone or break in again (He's 4 hours drive away).
Boys are a lot calmer and generally better behaved. DS2 (nearly 5yo) has been less aggressive at school. Both teachers have noticed a significant change in the two eldest ones. I know now beyond any shadow of a doubt that I did the right thing.

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Redtartanlass · 10/10/2005 18:59

Only been watching this thread recently, but it seems as you had a very long and taxing 2 years!!! Hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel now. You have been amazingly strong and now your kids are feeling the benefit. Good Luck

Rainbow · 22/10/2005 11:47

Not feeling great today. Got a letter from the courts DH wants access to the boys. I have to go to court Tuesday morning. He is in Rehab and miles away so I don't know how he will get there, if he gets there and he needs to be for it to be hears. I have been doing great without him and the boys are starting to settle down and come to terms with it all. They have been let down every Sunday for the past 3 weeks by there grandfather (Fil) saying he was coming to see them and not showing up. Even on DS3 birthday we heard nothing from him. Now we are going to be turned upside down again with this access thing. He has never hit the kids, the abuse has always been emotional towards them especially DS1. I can understand DS1 and DS2 want to see their father but he has caused us all so much pain. I wish this was all easier and over.

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mummypumpkin · 22/10/2005 21:36

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MummyJules · 22/10/2005 22:00

Rainbow I just wanted to let you know that I really feel for you. I posted a message about a similiar situation (you may be able to find it if you track through archived messages) My mother, my father, my brother and my sister and now my partner of the last 6 years are all alcoholics. I think it is so hard dealing with it and have found it very hard in the past (still do if I'm honest but the way I deal with it now is just by comsuming my mind with others things - I have become very busy!) My Dp doesn't seem to really want to give up as far as I'm concerned but to be honest it has to be his decision. My sister says that he won't give up until he hits rock bottom (meaning me and dd have to leave him which I really don't want to do) I dread every social occasion and sometimes I make excuses for him so it's easier for both of us although I am sure Christmas once again will be a nightmare!

If you would like to talk to me via messenger or have an e-mail buddy who understands you then please CAT me as I would be more than happy!

I really hope that things work out okay whatever you decide to do. Have you tried going to Al-anon (it's a group along the same lines of AA but for friends and families of alcholics. You might find it very helpful)

Lots and lots of luck to you in this awful situation.

MummyJules x

Rainbow · 23/10/2005 14:23

That's me, Mummyjules. Excuse after excuse, defending him, losing friends because of his attitude (I kept away to save embarrassment). An e-mail buddy would be great (not often on here long enough for messenger).
Yes, Al anon is brilliant. Helped me realize I was totally useless at getting him to stop because I 'propped him up'. made me feel a lot better.

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anorak · 23/10/2005 15:01

Hi Rainbow, what a rotten time you were having back in June, sorry, I never realised at the time.

Sounds like your dh is in the right place. I only hope it works. But you and the children are more important. Do what you feel is right for you and your kids. Your dh has to work things out for himself if he is ever to deserve a family again.

I am still here for you x.

PeachyClairPumpkinPie · 23/10/2005 15:16

Hi

I have some idea of your situation, as this is what I witnessed my Mum go through when I was a child (Dad was an alcoholic)

Like your DH, Dad came from a family of heavy drinkers: 2 of his siblings have already drunk themselves to death (Dad is one of 16), at least 2 I can think of are on their way there rapidly. Grandad (Never met him, died before I was born) used to spend all his wages on drink, Nan was a bed bound invalid so Dad et al were working from 5 years old for food, and they poached Salmon, baked Hedgehogs- all that stuff.
From what I can gather, Great Nan used to pawn the Grandkids coats for money for booze too, so there was a huge history there.

Anyway, Dad was always a heavy drinker, cider (from Somerset) from childhood onwards etc. Then he got amrried and they had a terrible time- lost 5 babies before I came- and from there I think he deteriorated, by the time I was ten he was addicted.

The thing is, Dad is OK now. He did all the 'this time it's for real'... stuff, Mum left more times than you can imagine, I used to even offer to fund her (She never offered to take us kids) because Dad was such a bad DH to her. But then one day he stopped. He identified his trigger and cut it ut his life, and he is now dry and the best Grandad you can imagine (I love him dearly but I have too many memories to trust him).

So what I would say is... there's never no hope, but that doesn't mean you should stay either. get counselling yourself (and for the kids perhaps depending on age etc), and work out where you need to be.

Just a thought also: My Mum's neighbour left her Dh a year ago and moved a County away. He stopped drinking, and the family were reunited a few eeks ago when she moved back (she let him be dry for a year first). That's also an option I guess.

PeachyClairPumpkinPie · 23/10/2005 15:19

Sorry only read initial message

Advice now...

contact only via courts, speak to al anon and buy some read relays alarms (cheap ones) for the windows and doors so you know he can't get in undetected (small modules that tape to doors that emit a loud signal if door is opened... Dh installed them at a HomeStart client's house when she thought her ex-DP was going to snatch her son... cost £17 or so in total. They work on amagnet basis, if the bond between the magnets is separated then off the alarm goes).

notwhoireallyam · 23/10/2005 23:51

Hi Rainbow. Only just seen this thread and really sorry to hear about all you've been through and the fact that it's not over yet. My blood runs cold thinking about the access situation you're facing now. It must be so difficult for you.
My DP is an alcoholic. (I've posted about it on here before), and reading MummyJules' post is like reading about my own life. Thankfully we're nowhere near where you are yet - violence, fits etc - but there are plenty of other ways in which the drinking affect our life. I want the future to be with him, but I'd love to be more confident about what that future looks like.
I'd be really interested in knowing more about the rehab your husband went into. Obviously it didn't work for him, and like MJ, my DP doesn't want to give up. But knowledge is power!

motheroftwoboys · 28/10/2005 14:33

www.gettingthemsober.com/cgi-shl/recwebbbs.pl

Useless with links - have just lost my message to you. Start again!!! My much loved DH is an alcoholic. We have been through hell for the last 3 years. He is recently back from 4 and a half months rehab and it is WONDERFUL he is back the man I fell in love with. A bit of advice.

Don't listen to any well meaning advice from friends or family unless they have personal knowledge of living with an alcohlic. They DON'T understand.

Do not go to any marriage counselling unless they work hand in hand with addiction counselling. Again, they DON'T understand and can end up colluding with the alcoholic and supporting the disease.

Look at the Getting Them Sober website above. Buy and read the books. Buy and read Under the Influence by James Milam - might be Milan

Go to Al Anon

Don't give up hope. Miracles can happen.

Do contact me if you want support.

I hope you read this.

Sending love - I know what it is like.

Rainbow · 05/12/2005 18:13

You name it , he's tried it notwhoireallyam. The first time he went into detox centre for two weeks, it worked for a few months, next he tried home detox where I gave him the tablets three times a day under the guidance of a addictions nurse and this time he has gone away again for three months. Nothing will work until he wants it to. That's the hardest part watching him drink himself to death and I can do nothing.
I read all your posts and they could have been written by me. I am so grateful to all of you who have contributed to this thread, I now realise that I am not on my own by a long chalk xoxoxoxox

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CrystalmasJingleTips · 06/12/2005 17:41

Thinking of you rainbow ... CHristmas is hard - for alcoholics ... but worse for their families IMO

Hope you are OK xxxx

Rainbow · 26/12/2005 16:46

Had a really great Christmas. 1st in 10+ years with no stress about him causing arguments. Hope you all had a good one. xxx

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Mercy · 26/12/2005 17:23

Hi Rainbow, sorry haven't had time to read all of this thread but just wanted to say glad to hear you had a great time - long may it continue!

Rainbow · 22/04/2006 07:08

Not good week DH took me back to court because I suspended his access application. He has been phoning me up and the conversation starts fine but when things don't go his way i.e. I refuse to take the boys round to see him he gets abusive. The phone calls are getting more frequent and threatening. Accusing me of being a prostitute, a thief (I stole his house!)

I have caller ID and refused to answer the phone last week to him or any unidentified numbers, so he called the police and reported me missing!!! The week before my phone was out of order so he took it upon himself to call BT and arange for an engineer to come round. Poor BT. He told them that he was my husband and lead them to believe he lived with me, so you can imagine the confusion about arranging a visit. I'd arrange to have an engineer call my mobile with a date, DH then phones up and actually makes the appointment (he cannot phone my mobile, he doesn't have the number:)). Poor BT engineer then phones my mobile to find out where I am as he is on my doorstep 15 miles away from me at work! Thinking about changing my number!

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