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Any experience with alcoholism in your family? Just need to know I'm not on my own.

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rainbow · 31/08/2003 11:13

My DH has always drunk on a regular basis. He's Irish and it's the 'norm' in his family. I am made to feel unsocialable and 'stuck up' for want of a better word, because I rarely drink now. Over the last two or three years DH's drinking has got a lot worse and it is effecting our marriage, his job, his relationship with the kids and his health. At the begining of the year he starting having alcoholic fits and finally admitted to being an alcoholic, something I had known for sometime. He went to AA but gave up after 2 meetings, tried to do it on his own but after a few days he would find any excuse to start again, he found one, my grandma died, he had a stressful day, the kids had wound him up. He seemed genuinly disappointed in himself when he had drunk but I had a lot "this is a one off" which tended to last a week at a time. He had asked the hospital for help on more than one visit but he was always refered to someone else. One doctor referred him to a psychiatrist, she gave him a phone number to ring, the drug and alcohol service. That's as far as it went. Finally 6 weeks ago I had had enough and packed my bags ready to leave. Again we had the pie crust promises, "I will give up on Monday", I thought my mind was made up, I had had 6 months of "...on Monday". I stood up to walk out the door, the car was packed the kids strapped in and he stood in my way, picked up the phone and dialled the alcohol and drug service helpline. My mind and heart were now at war. I stayed until his 1st assesment, then his 2nd, I filled in the forms for him to go into detox and his follow-up in rehab. I took him to his appointments and dropped him off at the detox clinic and I will pick him up when he's finished his detox next week but I have this doubt in my mind. I know how determined he says he is but will this work? I cannot continue living like this. I cannot watch him die. My mum used to work in a pub and we would regularly visit. Many of the people I met there were alcoholics. I worked in the shop opposite Mum's pub and many of them then came in to shop. I watch a few men mainly, slowly kill themselves with the drink, slowly bleding to death, turning yellow etc. I can't watch my DH go through that, yet if he is determined and does manage to kick it, I don't want to leave. I feel that I cannot leave at the moment, I know how much he loves meand the kids and I know giving up alcohol is incredibly difficult. I feel that I would be leaving him when he needs all the help he can get. His family all drink and his mother is a recovering alcoholic, but none of them support him. They ridicule him and eat away at his self esteem. If I left now he would have no-one. I feel like a fool staying. I know a few people in abusive relationships where I think if Dh did that to me I would not be there but now I'm on the inside with people saying that about me it's totally different. Help!

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verysadmum · 18/01/2004 16:51

Rainbow. Just to confirm. Neither the school or the nursery will need a court order to stop him collecting. You, as their mother and main carer can tell them not to let him go with them.

If you really feel worried for your children you should seriously think about contacting social services. THEY can contact the school / nursery on your behalf too.

HTH. VSM xx

Janstar · 18/01/2004 17:40

Hi Rainbow, I'm so sorry things are not working out as you had hoped. A few months ago you were saying you could not leave because you loved him so much and did not want to abandon him. I was afraid that if you did not leave or throw him out you would end up hating him and unfortunately that appears to be what is happening.

As others here have said, he will not or cannot stop, so you need to look after No1 and the children.

You will also be helping him because it will force him to face the mess he is in. All the while you stay, you are making it easier for him to continue. He is changing from a man you love into a bullying violent monster, and that is no help to anyone, including himself. I still believe your very best chance is to separate. I know you are frightened that he will use violence to try and scare you into staying with him. And many men threaten to take the children in situations such as this, but just how realistic is that? No court in the land is going to give custody to an alcoholic father, when there is a fit and able mother in the picture. He is saying these things to try desperately to keep things together. Remember that it is likely to be a bluff, since trying to look after the kids alone would be a serious impediment to his drinking, and as an addict he will put that first.

As for smashing the windows, this may be pure frustration, and I am sure not something he would do if sober, but it is unacceptable behaviour, frightening, bullying and downright dangerous, someone could have been badly injured.

Your dh needs a wake up call very badly and if you don't give it to him no one else will.

Your kids need to live in peace and safety and they will be depending on you to make sure they can.

As for your needs, only you know what they are but I hope you are including them in the equation too. I am sure you need peace and safety as much as the kids do.

I'm sorry if I have sounded harsh, I haven't meant to, I do feel very sad for you as I know the misery of living with an alcoholic and the way your everyday life becomes so chaotic. But your dh is not going to make this right so you are the one who will have to do something, for your children and your self.

I wish you a safe and peaceful future. Please keep posting.

lavender1 · 18/01/2004 17:48

Rainbow, I have spent the last half hour or so reading this thread as I wanted to offer some advice to you. I really feel for you and think leaving your dh until he sorts himself out is the only solution, however hard this feels....

I say this because my father was an alcoholic ( he died nearly 3 years ago because of this) and my mother left him when I was 9. I lived with my stepfather, mother and sisters and had a more stable upbringing on a day to day basis because of this ( I find it hard to talk about this)...I can totally understand the wanting him not to be here anymore because for years I had felt this pain of not being able to help my father and when the pain was over ( sadly him being no longer with us) I felt he was free of all the pain and I could get on with my life without feeling guilty about enjoying myself)..

really do have first hand experience of this and unless HE can help himself you have to think of yours and your children's hapiness...believe me having a father who drinks himself to death in front of your eyes is heartbreaking...(your children and you deserve to be happy)

If you feel like e-mailing me then just say as am happy to talk about this with you.

lavender1 · 18/01/2004 17:51

With regard to him picking up the children, if you mentioned the situation (him drinking and stuff) then think maybe they would listen and politely say the agreement is for you to pick them up...don't know the legalities but the school should have the children's welfare at heart...Keep talking we're hear for you

Twinkie · 19/01/2004 15:32

Rainbow - you need to get in touch with Social Services and get this sorted out - I grew up until the age of 6 with a chronic alcoholic and can't even stand the smell fo a drunk man - not even drunk TBH but the acidy smell after they have had a drink - I also find drunk people pathetic and really get annoyed with their lack of control - it has left a huge mark on me and I think will do so for the rest of my life!!

You need this sorted and now - you do your bit get you and the children safe and happy - away from the drink and the rest of it is his responsibility - if he wants you and kids then he gives up - somple as that - I know it will be hard but what reward could be nicer than being sober and having his family with him. Honey if you stick around your relationship will deteriorate and then there will be no chance of a reunion or you both getting on with your lives - you will end up hating hm and hating everything about him. Oh and as for him picking the kids up - you get in touch with SS and the school and you tell them what is going on and that your kids are not to go with their father as you cannot be sure that he is sober and in a fit enough state to look after them.

Sorry to sound blunt but darling take control of this - he isn't and won't and things don't get easier they only get harder - this is his addiction and you have tried to help him through it - now you step back and dangle the carrot - you and his kids with him sober or him alone a sad drunk - sounds harsh but that it is - if not your kids won't thank you in the long run.

Sorry to sound like a complete cow about drinking but you seem to have done everything you can to help and he does not seem to be doing his bit - and smashing the windows - well that is hardly what your kids need to see.

I hope things get better for you - I know you are a long long way away so I can't help other than to write to you but you deserve a partner who respects you enuoght o stop this and be a co-parent not a child who you have to watch if you go out of the house for a couple of hours just in case they get pissed!!

YOU DESERVE MORE THAN THIS AND SO DO YOUR KIDS!!!!

rainbow · 28/05/2004 14:54

Took your advice twinkie. Had a few problems with SS trying to take the kids away because 'my house was a mess' what do they expect? a palace?. Have my own place with the kids and dog. Lost the house, DH couldn't afford the mortgage once our money was taken off his benefit claim. He has been through detox again,(feb 4th) 6 days after I left. So far he hasn't touch a drop since, hope it continues, fingers crossed. He has seen the boys but all ways supervised. I'm not ready to risk unsupervised yet. We have started to stay overnight a couple of times in the last 3 weeks. It's very slow and that's the way I want it. I am not going to get burnt again. He thought giving up the drink meant I was coming straight back, some sort of miracle cure. He's having trouble understanding why it's not but he is accepting that this is the way it is going to be. What will happens next I don't know. I just know that the sober DH is the one I want to be with. I just have to make sure he is the one who stays before committing to anything.

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crystaltips · 28/05/2004 22:06

keep going rainbow - it must be very tough for you at the moment ... Thinking of you xxx

tractorwidow · 31/05/2004 16:09

I've just changed my name to type this.
Both my mother and my inlaws are alcoholics. The in-laws don't think they are but they have been for years. This has led to DH having a total aversion to alcohol. He'll have a pint every now and then but no more. He remembers years of his mum and dad not feeding them but always having enough for booze and fags.
Now to my own story. For years my mum would have a drink every evening. While she was a Social Worker, this got steadily worse. She eventually suffered a breakdown and has depression linked with anxiety. As a result she was medically retired from her work. This would normally be enough to stop someone, loss of career, mental health but no.
Her anxiety got worse over a few years. She wasn't a loud drunk but very unreasonable. Due to her mental health and drinking, I didn't have a lot of contact with her after about 4pm, she would be drinking by then. Also, she stopped taking her medication and wouldn't eat. Her her weight went from 15 stone to about 6. It all came to a head last year when I went to pick my little boy up from them. She hadn't got out her bed and my dad had been having to lift her to the toilet for the previous few days. He had called the doctor and when he eventually came, he called an ambulance and had her admitted. She lost all sense of who she was, couldn't speak or do anything for herself. It was as if she had had a stroke but it wasn't one. It took months of re-had before she could do anything. For months she was catheterised, drip fed and unable to talk, walk or string anythign sensible together. She's now home, something we thought wouldn't happen. She was in hospital for 4 months and has to take a ridiculous amount of medication. They diagnosed something called poly-neuropothy. Basically, she's destroyed her nerves. She also has to walk on a zimmer frame. All of this is as a result of alcohol abuse.
Now, she's a different person. She has a great time with DS. There's no drink in the house. She's really easy to get on with and can laugh about what she's been through. She does feel hugely guilty about what she's put me and my dad through.
It is a start, your DH saying he has a problem, it's just how to manage it from there. I really feel for you but hopefully from what I have told you, you can see there ccan be good come from it.
Hugs.

Janstar · 31/05/2004 16:32

Hi Rainbow, I didn't realise you'd posted again. Well done on having the courage to make a stand. By doing so you forced your dh to face his problems and start working on them You may have saved his life.

You are right not to rush back into things. Indeed he does need to work through his problems and be fully commited to his recovery before you can be together again. He also needs to admit and regret the damage his behaviour has caused.

You are safeguarding your children from the instability of the family getting back together just to break up again. It's absolutely the right thing to do.

Hopefully you will all be back together again soon enough, just as soon as your dh stops thinking that you are ever going to be an alcoholic's wife again.

Rainbow · 14/08/2004 11:22

Thank you everyone who has posted. I really could not have got through this with out you. Dh has not had a drink since the last detox. He attended a 6 weeks abstinance programme and then aftercare once a week (continues until he has been sober 1 yr). They also have 'open sesions' twice a week which he still goes to and he trys to go to 2 AA meetings a week. His attitude had always been 'I'll get the drink under control and then drink socially' now his attitude is much more positive. He admits he will try never to drink again. He says he will not drink today. That is as far as he can go but then you can't walk a mile without saying I will take one step. He has a long term goal but he deals with it one day at a time. He is even looking for a job.
DS1's behaviour has improved drastically over the past few months and he is so much happier. I didn't think that it was affecting DS2 and DS3 that much but in July DS3(22mo) spontaneously hugged his dad for the first time ever. Before he would hug his dad to say goodnight or because he had been asked to but that, for me was an amazing moment.
Although we spend the majority of our free time together I am still reluctant to let go of my place, my safety net. We are getting there and DH understands better now why I won't let go completely. Hopefully by Christmas I will be able to.
The rehab centre he still attends has a relatives group which I go to and I go to Al anon. Both have been fantastic. My biggest problem has been DS1. He is only 9yo and there is no help for him out there at all. Al-ateen is for kids from 12yo. He is coping at the moment with me adapting Al anon leaflets etc. Life for us is getting better slowly but thats the way we can cope, and we like it. Thank you for everything.

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Rainbow · 14/08/2004 11:56

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iota · 14/08/2004 15:50

Rainbow - Glad to hear things are getting better - best wishes

anorak · 14/08/2004 17:10

Hi Rainbow, it's me, janstar, I changed my name.

I am so thrilled to read your news! Well done to both you and your dh. I hope you live happily ever after. Please keep posting - it doesn't need to be a crisis for you to keep in touch - mumsnet is great just for chatting.

eyelash · 14/08/2004 20:02

Brilliant news - and great to get the update of what has happened as well. You sound so strong.

Rainbow · 13/05/2005 20:06

I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while.
It lasted until Christmas. I knew Christmas would be hard but having gone 7 months I thought he'd get through it. He didn't. New Year came and went and his drinking got worse and worse. The arguing got worse and worse and then last month I came in from work and he went into the kitchen, I sat in the living room and was watching television when I was hit on the side on my head by a flying mug. It was all my fault in his eyes how I'm not sure. The following day he clapped his hands around my head, the next he pinned me to the floor by the throat so I couldn't breathe, I bit him. the last one was in front of the boys. DS1 tried to stop him but DH threw him against the wall. I have now been to a solicitor and we are getting divorced. He has made no effort as far as the drinking is concerned. DS1 is taking it hardest (10 yo) He wants his Dad to stop drinking more than anything. I told him that I would stand by him as long as he made the effort but I won't put my boys through this.
This started a bad year, 3rd January I lost my dog (He was only 3yo). He had a very rare chylothorax, his chest cavity filled with fluid as quick as the vet drained it, it filled again. The vet had only ever read about it in 25 years of practice. I lost my job in February (though I have quickly found another) and now this.
I'm stronger now, this thread and the people who posted and the friends I have made at Al-Anon have helped me see clearer and given me the strength to 'break free'. The only thing that scares me more than anything now is that DS1, DS2 or DS3 will follow in DH's footsteps along the slipopery lonely road of alcoholism, but if they do I will go through this all again with them. Only this time I hope I can make a difference.

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Rainbow · 13/05/2005 20:55

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hotmama · 13/05/2005 21:49

Rainbow - just spent the lst 40 minutes reading this thread. You are an unbelievebly strong woman and mother - I can't believe the tough time you have had.

My dad was an alcoholic but my mum thankfully left him when she was 20 and I was 5 (my db was 3). Mum still has a chipped tooth where my head got in the way of his fist. My father was an arse be it a very sad arse!

Dad went back to live with his parents after the divorce and myself and db used to spend school holidays with him (he was a teacher ) bizarrely he seemed to sort himself out a bit with his parents but it wasn't unknown for him to go on benders.

My Dad died when I was 21 and he was 47 (I am now 38) - basically his heart and liver gave up - I had had no contact for at least 3 years. You know what, sad that it sounds it really wasn't a loss to the world - but he left a hell of a lot of pain behind.

Don't worry about your ds's having a drink problem - if anything puts you off becoming a pisshead it is seeing a parent trashing themself. My mum was (and is) a fab mum, her nurturing has had more effect on our lives than all the hurt that my dad caused. I don't deny that I have been left with a whole number of hang-ups - but I just think what would have become of us if my mum had stayed. I for one think that you have done the 'right' thing - it will be hard but in my opinion your sons will be sooooo grateful when they are older. Really hope this helps.

albosmum · 13/05/2005 22:17

I have not read all this post - ~I think you are very brave to admit your dh is an alcoholic it is a really difficult thing to do . There are organisations specifically for families of alcoholics you could contact for support. I want to let you know my dad is an alcoholic but has now after about 30 years managed to get his drinking under control - before the last 4 years he only has been on about 2 or 3 binges and otherwise abstains. My mum has been through many years of hurt, anger etc - they have divorced and re-marryed. Good luck wahtever you decide to do

Rainbow · 14/05/2005 14:44

Hotmama, you say "if anything puts you off becoming a pisshead it is seeing a parent trashing themself." DH's mother is an alcoholic as was her father, that didn't put either of them off. That's what is worrying me about my DSs.

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Rainbow · 15/05/2005 12:22

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noddyholder · 15/05/2005 12:28

My dp is a recovering alcoholic Rainbow and he stopped drinking 13 yrs ago We are very open with ds about this and have told him (just in passing not big heavy chat iykwim)that alcohol doesn't agree with some people and some become dependent on it we drip feed this info to him and he really seems to get it.You are doing the right thing with alanon good luck xx

anorak · 15/05/2005 12:32

Hi Rainbow. I'm so sorry your dh didn't manage to stay dry. But you tried your best and never need to ask yourself if there was something more you could have done. The violence is not something you can just put up with while you try and support him to get better, you've been left with no choice, so I totally support your decision. As has been said before, one can only hope that your dh will find the incentive to stop when he realises he has driven his family away. But if he doesn't, then you can't be responsible. You have to take care of yourself and your kids.

As for the question of whether or not your kids will follow in his footsteps - well that isn't your responsibility either. You carry on being a wonderful mum and teaching them the rights and wrongs and I'm sure they will be fine.

As I told you before, my mother was an alcoholic but myself, my brother and my sister all drink for fun and have never teetered on the edge of alcoholism. If anything my experience with my mum has made me more aware. So if I feel I am getting into the habit of drinking too much I get frightened and pull back when maybe others wouldn't give it a second thought.

Please go on using mumsnet, it's a great support when you're going through tough times in your life. xxx

Rainbow · 22/06/2005 12:59

I hate posting all this sad stuff. I want to be more positive but I have nothing to post thats positive.
I am here, at home, instead of work because I work with children and those children that 'it would matter to' would know exactly what happened to me on Monday night. I came home from work at DH asked me if I was having an affair. I said 'no' but he carried on and on. He grabbed me by the throat and tried to pin me against the wall but the fridge was in the way. I remember having my head bashed against the wall and work top, being pinned to the floor and biting him when he strangled me. He then went into the garden and came back in with a plank of wood to hit me with but the table was in the way, (I was on the phone to 999 at this point) he realized what I was doing and ran. He came back later while the police were still there and he was arrested. All this in front of my 3 DSs. DH spent the night in the cells to sober up and was interviewed and bailed with conditions not to contact me in any way, shape or form. He turned up on my doorstep last night. Drunk of course but had gone before the police got there. He still has his key so we stayed at my parents (Lucky they were there with me, they had just left when they saw him coming down the road and came back!). I have applied for an injuction against him, warned the school and nursery and tonight I am changing the locks on the advice of PC Sargent. I really wantto sellup and move so he doesn't know where I am.

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Rainbow · 22/06/2005 13:02

I can't believe I have been posting for nearly two years. It has made me realise who my friends really are. I know I am not in this on my ownand that some of youuhave beenin my DSs shoes and come out the other side OK unlike my MIL and DH. Thank you everyone. I could not have survived without you. x

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