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Any experience with alcoholism in your family? Just need to know I'm not on my own.

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rainbow · 31/08/2003 11:13

My DH has always drunk on a regular basis. He's Irish and it's the 'norm' in his family. I am made to feel unsocialable and 'stuck up' for want of a better word, because I rarely drink now. Over the last two or three years DH's drinking has got a lot worse and it is effecting our marriage, his job, his relationship with the kids and his health. At the begining of the year he starting having alcoholic fits and finally admitted to being an alcoholic, something I had known for sometime. He went to AA but gave up after 2 meetings, tried to do it on his own but after a few days he would find any excuse to start again, he found one, my grandma died, he had a stressful day, the kids had wound him up. He seemed genuinly disappointed in himself when he had drunk but I had a lot "this is a one off" which tended to last a week at a time. He had asked the hospital for help on more than one visit but he was always refered to someone else. One doctor referred him to a psychiatrist, she gave him a phone number to ring, the drug and alcohol service. That's as far as it went. Finally 6 weeks ago I had had enough and packed my bags ready to leave. Again we had the pie crust promises, "I will give up on Monday", I thought my mind was made up, I had had 6 months of "...on Monday". I stood up to walk out the door, the car was packed the kids strapped in and he stood in my way, picked up the phone and dialled the alcohol and drug service helpline. My mind and heart were now at war. I stayed until his 1st assesment, then his 2nd, I filled in the forms for him to go into detox and his follow-up in rehab. I took him to his appointments and dropped him off at the detox clinic and I will pick him up when he's finished his detox next week but I have this doubt in my mind. I know how determined he says he is but will this work? I cannot continue living like this. I cannot watch him die. My mum used to work in a pub and we would regularly visit. Many of the people I met there were alcoholics. I worked in the shop opposite Mum's pub and many of them then came in to shop. I watch a few men mainly, slowly kill themselves with the drink, slowly bleding to death, turning yellow etc. I can't watch my DH go through that, yet if he is determined and does manage to kick it, I don't want to leave. I feel that I cannot leave at the moment, I know how much he loves meand the kids and I know giving up alcohol is incredibly difficult. I feel that I would be leaving him when he needs all the help he can get. His family all drink and his mother is a recovering alcoholic, but none of them support him. They ridicule him and eat away at his self esteem. If I left now he would have no-one. I feel like a fool staying. I know a few people in abusive relationships where I think if Dh did that to me I would not be there but now I'm on the inside with people saying that about me it's totally different. Help!

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rainbow · 01/11/2003 12:56

If this turns into a long one then I apologise now. I got upthis morning at 7 and found DH already up, dressed and drinking. I have had my suspicions for a while that he was drinking again but I think I didn't want to face it and believed him when he swore he wasn't. He didn't smell of drink which made me feel more paranoid. My whole world seems to have collapsed. He has been lying to me, my children, his parents and mine. He knows as well as I do that it is killing him, but he seems determined to continue, if he is drinking behind my back and lying about it. I am round my parents, DH was fixing some electric sockets. They have gone down B & Q, Dh and I were left alone. My sis then told me while I was collecting DS1 from football DH had 2 beers. He got incredibly nasty and aggressive when I mentioned this, and I threw him out my parents house. I know he has gone down the pub, I have both his key to our house and his key to my parents' house. I don't know what to do now. Do I let him back in or do I throw him out? I love him so much but he needs to sober up, pemenantly. I feel guilty as I know he has no where to go but I feel I must protect myself and most of all my boys. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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zebra · 01/11/2003 13:44

So sorry to hear that, Rainbow.
The worst part is nobody can tell you for sure what to do, you have to work out for yourself what the best move is. Do you have someone you can talk to at length, talk thru your feelings and thoughts, face-to-face, today?

I would tend to think, though, that if you take him back now you'd be encouraging him to think he can just carry on with the drinking, regardless of how it affects others. They say One Day at a Time just for today, and only today don't worry about how it affects the future -- what would be the best thing for you & your boys? See your DH, or keep him away?

rainbow · 01/11/2003 14:37

The way he is at the moment. Keep him away. In the long term? No idea. I am so confused and mixed up I don't know were to go. I could talk to Mum but I think she maybe a little too close apart from that no I haven't. I have tried Al Anon in the past so perhaps I will try them again. Thanks Zebra.

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Janstar · 01/11/2003 14:51

Rainbow, I'm so sorry. He is truly addicted and will go to any lengths to get his fix. My advice would be to throw him out - it may well be the most loving thing to do because if you don't take drastic action he won't have a strong incentive to stop. And certainly it is horrible for children to have an alcoholic in the house.

Saving his life is an act of love and you should not feel guilty of being unloving.

Batters · 01/11/2003 16:47

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yoko · 01/11/2003 17:03

havent time to read all thro thread but my heart goes out to you.here are a couple of nos;
al-anon:02074030888
drinkline:sat/sun 6pm-11pm o8oo9178282

uknowme · 01/11/2003 17:20

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wilbur · 01/11/2003 18:06

rainbow - I am so sorry to hear of your situation, I haven't seen this thread before. My mother's drinking was out of control on and off throughout my childhood, and your description of your ds1 sounds a lot like me (although I now feel a lot of compassion for my mother - her father and grandfather were alcoholics - and feel that my family problems have not had a terrible long-term effect on me). My sister is also a recovering alcoholic - she has done extraordinarily well, supported by her dh once she was serious about stopping, but she took a long time to admit a problem and even then it took years for her to properly quit. She always says she had to hit rock bottom, she had to know that she was going to lose everything before she committed to AA with all her heart and determination. Sometimes when an alcoholic has someone there supporting them, someone always to come back to and smooth things over, they do not have the impetus to stop. I don't know if that is what your dh needs, but I would say for you and your children that you should not be living with him until he commits to a program and stops lying to you and himself. My heart goes out to you, you are so brave to face this kind of thing. I hope al-anon and other organisations will be a help to you. Take care.

suedonim · 01/11/2003 20:59

I've no advice to offer, Rainbow, but I'm thinking of you and your family.

rainbow · 17/01/2004 14:36

I really don't know what to do. Please don't think badly of me. I had a major row this morning over his drinking and I sat on him, pinned him down I then tried to strangle him. I didn't want to but I couldn't let go. I just thought for a split second that if he was dead then it would all be over, I could start again without feeling as though I'd failed. My hands just stuck.

Rewind a bit. Before christmas he tried to give up again but failed. He made a New years' resolution to quit but until then cut down. It did work even with copious amounts of alcohol around him he stayed reasonalby sober christmas. He was so drunk at New Year that I thought he would choke on his own vomit. Very bad night for me no sleep just in case. January 2nd, 3rd, 4th, right up until the 8th no alcohol at all. Shakes, grumps, short temper etc but I could deal with that. It was brilliant. He rally was trying. Friday 9th I had to go out all day and he was drunk when I got back. Sat, Sun and Mon dry again. Great, just a little slip up, I thought, now back on track. Tuesday, he was drunk when I got back from the school. He started drinking Tuesday and hasn't stopped yet unless he's asleep. I couldn't take any more and this morning I snatched the can out of his hand and sat on him. He went into the garden this morning to get away from me, picked up a spade and smashed the french doors.

I know it sounds awful but I wish he would die and end all this. I don't think he will ever give up and him dying seems to be the next best thing for every one. He says that if I leave he will take the kids away from me. DS1 is at school and he will collect him early if he has to. I sounded a teacher friend out about this and she says there is nothing they can do to stop him. DS2 and DS3 are at nursery. I cannot take their Dad's name of the collection list without a court order. I cannot wait that long, so I stay. Stupid or what?

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crystaltips · 17/01/2004 14:55

OMG - I really feel for you - you poor poor thing.
I have only read your recent post .... bear with me - I have experienced this forst of thing myself with my / DHs family But would like to read the whole thread before I can comment / advise ..... only becuase I don't want to suggest something that you have thought of already ..... Back in a mo xxxx

wilbur · 17/01/2004 14:56

Oh rainbow, my heart aches for you. I have to say that if you dh has got to the where he is breaking doors and is so paranoid and unreasonable that he is willing to threaten to take your kids away, then you should get that court order without his knowledge, inform the school that he is no longer able to pick up the kids and then at least you will feel your family is protected. I would give him one last ultimatum, if you can, and that would be to attend a residential drying out clinic and do it properly. If he is not able to do that, then he is not yet ready to stop drinking and you should no longer be with him. It shows how much of a strain this is on you if you wish him dead - surely separation is a better solution?

rainbow · 17/01/2004 15:00

Separation just seems to be more trouble. Keeping the kids with me 24/7 in case he carries out his threats. Trying to find some where else to live, money problems etc. Can't go back to Mum and Dad's. Dad drives me crazy when I visit just once a week. Christmas was like walking on eggshells.

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crystaltips · 17/01/2004 15:00

In the meantime read this .... there is a great piece of advice from shrub .... the gist of it is that you cannot control someone's behaviour..... and by "letting go" you can begin to live your life again.
It was a huge source of inspiration to me ...
shrub's advice

Shrub - hope you don't mind me quoting you again ...

ponygirl · 17/01/2004 15:07

Oh Rainbow, I'm so sorry. I don't have much direct experience of this, but having read this thread in one go, taking into account the timescales, I think you have to end this situation now, for your own sake and most of all, for the sake of your boys. Please get some legal advice - a solicitor with a 24-hour line, or may Al-Anon can help, I'm sorry I don't know. But every stage seems to be 1 step forward and 2 steps back, but the general direction is all downhill. Please find a way out - throw him out, change the locks, whatever. If he's violent, he's abusing your love and you have to put yourself and your boys first. I think you know that it's the end of the line.

I hope someone else here can give you more specific legal advice on protecting yourself and your children. Keep posting and please use all the wonderful support that is mumsnet.

crystaltips · 17/01/2004 15:22

rainbow - many a wise word typed in these posts and I don't want to re-iterate what as already been said.
But stand back 2 paces and look at the situation you are in .... and ask yourself these questions ?
Is staying with your DH working ... Thruthfully ???
Your first post was 31st August. Have things improved with you "standing by" DH? It doesn't look like it.
Is DH adding to your life ? Is he adding to the childrens life ?
I am not sure about the legalities but I would seriously seek advice.
So far you seem to have made lots and lots of excuses as to why you cannot leave - but now is the time to be strong. Your children are your first priority as their father is not there a ) to support you or b ) to look after them.

I have a little bit of experience as my DH's father is an alcoholic. MIL would not leave him - "as she liked the lifestyle and was not strong enough to face the world on her own with three boys" ( not my words ).
The end result - she too is a raging alcoholic - and the three boys are barely on speaking terms with their parents ( or each other ) .... a fully dysfunctional family. and I blame the booze
What amazes me is how the DH and his brothers coped - though there was a lot of emotional damage done - that is still manifesting itself today.

I don't know if this helps - but it might make you think.... there is a great deal of support out there.
Did you ever go to an Al-Anon meeting ?? I did once or twice - and even though it wasn't totally my thing - it helped me realise that only an alcoholic can help themselves on the road to recovery.
Be brave xxx

JJ · 17/01/2004 15:30

Rainbow, I've got no advice for you, sorry. But you might want to try the folks at SMART Recovery. Go to their message boards and click on register to register. Then go to their chat room here . Login and hopefully someone will be around. I've asked and it's fine for you to chat there.

Let me know if you have a problem accessing the site.

Thinking of you.

crystaltips · 17/01/2004 15:31

JJ - What is SMART recovery all about ?

JJ · 17/01/2004 15:35

Crystaltips, it's behavioural therapy for the treatment of addictive behaviours. An alternative to AA for many people.

crystaltips · 17/01/2004 15:35

Thanks..

JJ · 17/01/2004 15:36

Oops, their website is www.smartrecovery.org

donnie · 17/01/2004 15:37

rainbow you poor old thing. I certainly don't blame you for attacking your husband like that, it would take a saint to remain calm.But it does prove beyond any doubt that the situation is now untenable and you need to leave.It sounds harsh but I think you need to get out and then begin court proceedings.Think of your 2 children.Lots of love to you.

12345 · 17/01/2004 19:13

dear rainbow, I have read this latest message of yours and wanted to say something to you. My partner has an addiction problem and it blighted our lives together for many years and still does. It has affected all aspects of our life. I can't count the number of times he promised he would give up his chosen addiction. I've had it all, from cutting back gradually to none for a week or two. He loves me and our kids and is good in so many ways but he has an addictive personality. I got so miserable watching him promise me he'd stop, then breaking the promise to me over and over again - 10 times in as many years easily. The turning point came when I realised he would never keep a promise he made to me. Not because he didn't love me, but because he couldn't do it. He loved me and I loved him but I couldn't help him. He had to make the promise to himself and get help from other people. Other advice here tells you to be detached. I had to do this in order to keep my sanity. I changed from begging my partner to stop to begging him to get help. That was an easier thing for my partner to do and a promise he could keep. My partner did seek help. He went to counselling. There has been no miracle cure. He attended counselling and took medication to help with his addiction for many years and three times went on reduction and detoxification programmes. Each time he relapsed but he never stopped seeing the counsellor and never stopped taking the medication. When he relapsed he never went back to the same level of addiction as before all this. Right now he is off all medication and doing much better than ever before. I am scared shitless because the counsellor has signed him off her books. He didn't want this and I didn't want this but they have to help other more needy people. We will see how it goes. So far the three months have been OK.

During his 3 years with the counsellor, he stopped confiding in me about his addiction problems and I know he told the counsellor a lot I don't know. They built up a separate relationship but that was really good for our marriage. It freed me from a burden and let me be more myself. I could tell my partner how his addiction affected me, what I felt about it. I didn't need to know how he felt about things because he had his counsellor to talk this over with. He confided in me when he chose to.

If my experience helps in any way, this is what I learned. Getting my partner to accept regular counselling and keep at this even when he relapsed was so important. Crisis counselling is not so good and don't let rehab clinics etc give your husband short term counselling only.

I also accepted that relapses were part of the process of giving up an addiction. What was most important was the ongoing process and counselling. I never expected any stopping to be permanent (though always hoped it might) but was thankful for the clear days it gave my partner.I thought the more clear days he has in the long term the better. I tried to fill his life with things that took him away from his addiction. Hobbies, outings, non addictive friends, I encouraged. I was lucky in that my partner was naturally growing away from his addictive friends.

I don't know what I'd do in your situation and won't tell you to stay or leave but I did want you to hear my story in the hope that it might make your decisions a little easier.

eyelash · 17/01/2004 20:45

Rainbow - I am sorry your situation is still awful. I have posted before and to reiterate - you need to leave or make him leave for the sake of your children. DH lived with an alcholic dad for 11 years (and 28 years later he is still an alcholic) and it is awful what the effect has been on dh and his siblings. Only this morning dh said he hoped our children would always grow up in the same house as he moved so much when he was young as his dad moved the family to escape the consequences of his drink and drug addictions.

Al-anon is definitely a starter for information and support. And I would have thought somebody at your local police station could tell you your rights regarding the children and who picks them up so you can organise that.

This may seem harsh but it is up to you to change the situation you are in!

eyelash · 18/01/2004 11:12

Rainbow - apologies for my last post as I didn't mince my words. You do what is right for you but make sure you get the professional support you need.

Good luck.