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Yesterday we butchered two pigs at home. It was brilliant

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HumphreyCobbler · 09/10/2010 10:38

We made sausages and salami. We had chops, tenderloin, ham, hocks,roasting joints - absolutely vast amounts of meat. We won't have to buy meat for at least six months.

We cure the bacon later and finish packing the sausages. The salami looks brilliant hanging in the shed.

I am so pleased Smile

We do it all again on Sunday, two more pigs are being slaughtered and we butcher them on Friday.

I feel Hugh FW would be very proud Grin

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catinthehat2 · 10/10/2010 09:43

I shall go back & see where it all went wrong.

I left it where people were saying

  1. pigs had a good life
  2. you might want to not overfeed them in future if they are THAT fatty 3)ooh sounds bit yukky, but looking at it snesibly, you have to kill them to eat them 4)I don't like it because I eat veggie, your choice though - reply: fair enough, seems reasonable.

All seemd very straightforward last night.

ragged · 10/10/2010 09:44

May I just point out that an awful lot of vegetarians are NOT animal rightists? This false association is a huge factor in why I stopped being vegetarian (after 16 years!); I hated being lumped in with those the animal rightests self-deluded Nut jobs. Please do NOT equate vegetarianism or even veganism with Animal Rightist. Plenty of vegetarians and even vegans have no opinions on the livestock industry at all.

I often toy with dropping all milk products from my diet because of the horrible practices that go on in the dairy industry. But I never had objected to eating meat, especially if the animals have had a high quality of life and a swift demise.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/10/2010 09:47

HC - don't let this thread, spoil your warm self-sufficiency glow. I am very jealous, a lifestyle I would love.

HumphreyCobbler · 10/10/2010 10:04

I will try OYBK!

Am not going to check it any more as I have rather a busy day ahead.

Cheers chaps

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mittz · 10/10/2010 10:08

at wasting.

It is alarming how many people who are Vegetarian wear leather, so their cow is walking around with shoe shaped holes in it's skin for no other purpose.

HC, I am with you all the way,

and Biscuit to the other comments. (vegan ones)

iPodge · 10/10/2010 10:19

catinthehat, that's what I was thinking :o All nice last night. Am laughing at whoever said that they shouldn't eat meat if they couldn't face the facts about where it came from, and then complained about the OP being too graphic :o

HecateQueenOfWitches · 10/10/2010 12:30

Humans are Omnivores
Introduction
There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.

Confusion between Taxonomy and Diet
Much of the misinformation on the issue of man's being a natural vegetarian arises from confusion between taxonomic (in biology, the procedure of classifying organisms in established categories) and dietary characteristics.

Members of the mammalian Order Carnivora may or may not be exclusive meat eaters. Those which eat only meat are carnivores. Dietary adaptations are not limited by a simple dichotomy between herbivores (strict vegetarians) and carnivores (strict meat-eaters), but include frugivores (predominantly fruit), gramnivores (nuts, seeds, etc.), folivores (leaves), insectivores (carnivore-insects and small vertebrates), etc. Is is also important to remember that the relation between the form (anatomy/physiology) and function (behavior) is not always one to one. Individual anatomical structures can serve one or more functions and similar functions can be served by several forms.

Omnivorism
The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basically opportunistic feeders (survive by eating what is available) with more generalized anatomical and physiological traits, especially the dentition (teeth). All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is omnivorous and would include meat. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.

The Great Apes
There are very few frugivores amongst the mammals in general, and primates in particular. The only apes that are predominantly fruit eaters (gibbons and siamangs) are atypical for apes in many behavioral and ecological respects and eat substantial amounts of vegetation. Orangutans are similar, with no observations in the wild of eating meat.

Gorillas are more typically vegetarian, with less emphasis on fruit. Several years ago a very elegant study was done on the relationship between body size and diet in primates (and some other mammal groups). The only primates on the list with pure diets were the very small species (which are entirely insectivorous) and the largest (which specialize in vegetarian diet). However, the spectrum of dietary preferences reflect the daily food intake needs of each body size and the relative availability of food resources in a tropical forest. Our closest relatives among the apes are the chimpanzees (i.e., anatomically, behaviorally, genetically, and evolutionarily), who frequently kill and eat other mammals (including other primates).

Evidence of Humans as Omnivores
Archeological Record
As far back as it can be traced, clearly the archeological record indicates an omnivorous diet for humans that included meat. Our ancestry is among the hunter/gatherers from the beginning. Once domestication of food sources began, it included both animals and plants.

Cell Types
Relative number and distribution of cell types, as well as structural specializations, are more important than overall length of the intestine to determining a typical diet. Dogs are typical carnivores, but their intestinal characteristics have more in common with omnivores. Wolves eat quite a lot of plant material.

Fermenting Vats
Nearly all plant eaters have fermenting vats (enlarged chambers where foods sits and microbes attack it). Ruminants like cattle and deer have forward sacs derived from remodeled esophagus and stomach. Horses, rhinos, and colobine monkeys have posterior, hindgut sacs. Humans have no such specializations.

Jaws
Although evidence on the structure and function of human hands and jaws, behavior, and evolutionary history also either support an omnivorous diet or fail to support strict vegetarianism, the best evidence comes from our teeth.

The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.

Salivary Glands
These indicate we could be omnivores. Saliva and urine data vary, depending on diet, not taxonomic group.

Intestines
Intestinal absorption is a surface area, not linear problem. Dogs (which are carnivores) have intestinal specializations more characteristic of omnivores than carnivores such as cats. The relative number of crypts and cell types is a better indication of diet than simple length. We are intermediate between the two groups.

Conclusion
Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

[Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and currently Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.]

Source: The Vegetarian Resource Group.

POFAKKEDDthechair · 10/10/2010 13:47

What is 'brilliant' about it is the fact that HC rears her own animals for food with great respect for their quality of life and for their humane death, and also the respect that comes from trying to eat every part of the animal rather than waste most of it, as happens in the commercial meat industry. It is the respect for the animal that is so heartening.

I do hope you lot don't drink milk. About 250000 [IIRC] male calves are killed every year so that their mothers continue to lactate for human consumption. I hate the way the industry treats animals. That is why I have great respect for what HC is doing.

solo · 10/10/2010 23:36

Also, if we all stopped eating meat and those animals became extinct, we'd then be without milk and eggs and all products associated with them. Doesn't sound good to me.

OP, I thought of you and your pork today as we had pork roast for Sunday lunch too :)

Scuttlebutter · 11/10/2010 01:13

OP, I respect and admire what you've done and am sorry you've been criticised by various vegans/veggies. Most meat in our supermarkets is raised in conditions that are hellish, and slaughtered in ways that are unpleasant and inhumane. I was veggie for years, but realised that good animal welfare (the thing we all want) should be supported so now we do buy meat but go to a lot of trouble and expense to only buy meat where we know as much as possible about the provenance, welfare, etc. What you have done is demonstrate your integrity and care for your animals' welfare - I will certainly join you for a bacon sandwich. I don't think it is realistic or even environmentally sensible for people in UK to be wholly vegan - I'd love to see us change though to a country where much less meat is eaten, but what is consumed is reared as well as possible, exactly as you have done.

MmeBlueberry · 11/10/2010 07:23

HC,

Did you use the lungs for anything? If not, then considering selling/offering them to a local school. It is so hard to get a good set of lungs as the abatoirs slash them for some reason so they cannot be inflated.

Hearts are good too, but you will probably keep these for your sausages.

scotsmuminengland · 11/10/2010 11:51

I would love to keep pigs. I am planning to when my husband retires but I don't want to kill them. I am planning on having chickens as well but only for the eggs.
I am not veggie. I absolutly love meat. I tried going veggie years ago when I saw a banned film. I lasted 1 hour.

NigellaPleaseComeDineWithMe · 11/10/2010 14:06

Wel done HC - was looking at the Huge Fernley watsis name book the other day about all the different cuts of meat etc and also talking to my butcher about cuts which they don't 'do' anymore cos people are squeamish.

If you eat meat then you should recognise an animal gets killed. The point is it should have a happy a life as possible before that - it alos gives a better end product too (i.e tastes nicer for us).

OrmRenewed · 11/10/2010 14:08

Erm.... you actually enjoyed the throat slitting part?

POFAKKEDDthechair · 11/10/2010 14:17

Have you read the thread Orm? They used a very experience slaughter man who put a bolt through the pigs' brains. V quick.

LtEveDallas · 11/10/2010 15:20

I didn't think the title was provocative at all. I took it to mean that the OP felt 'brilliant' at the sense of achievement for raising the pigs, slaughtering them humanely and using them from 'top to toe' as it were.

If more people did this the unethical farming methods may all but die out. It is something I would love to do if only I had the space.

My FIL was a slaughterman (now retired). During the Foot and Mouth crisis he was on call damn near 24 hours a day because people in North Wales ONLY wanted him to slaughter their animals - they considered him the BEST in his trade, and the most humane. His son is a butcher and still hears stories about his father, and how good he is. FIL used to do a roaring trade (so to speak) amongst people with their own smallholdings and was always very impressed with people like HC, who obviously loved their animals and treated them well. He would often come home with an offcut from the grateful smallholder - and I've got to say, the quality and taste was far superior.

My own father still talks of 'the street' putting together and buying a couple of pigs, which were then fed by everyone and shared out after slaughter. It was the only way that many of them were able to eat well - very hard to grow veggies where he grew up and lots of hard manual labour to contend with. Of course in his day they had their throats slit, rather than the more humane captive bolt gun. These days it need not be so brutal.

smallwhitecat · 11/10/2010 15:48

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OrmRenewed · 11/10/2010 15:55

Perhaps I am thinking of Jude the Obscure! Grin

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