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Richard Curtis said Love Actually needed more diversity

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 03/12/2022 21:15

He's obviously not able to recall the film at all.

I'm watching it now, ten minutes in and we've had two black 10 Downing Street employees, a black man marrying a white woman, a full gospel choir, a black saucy film director and a very diverse set of wedding guests.

Later on I'm sure there's a gay relationship and mental health issues, and a biracial kid singing All I Want For Christmas Is You.

What exactly is he moaning about?

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LindyLou2020 · 04/12/2022 18:34

I'm with @Ponderingwindow on this one. But only saw Love Actually once and wasn't fussed, and I've never watched Star Trek, sorry😣
LA was made nearly 20 years ago, so was of its time.
I don't think Richard Curtis, or any of us, should beat themselves up about what was considered ok then, but isn't now, providing any offence wasn't intentional.
I would certainly have done some things differently with the benefit of hindsight.

KitchenFleur · 04/12/2022 18:35

There was a lesbian couple storyline that was cut.

Diversity nowadays tends to mean more TQ+ representation, so as shit as it was 20 years ago, if it was made today it would be unwatchable woke shite.

ImAvingOops · 04/12/2022 18:35

There was supposed to be a gay relationship but it got cut. Think one of the actresses was Frances de la Tour - it was the story of the gay headmistress of the school where the nativity play is set, nursing her dying partner.
They should have kept it and cut Colin and his American girls.

KitchenFleur · 04/12/2022 18:37
Mrsjayy · 04/12/2022 18:40

LindyLou2020 · 04/12/2022 18:34

I'm with @Ponderingwindow on this one. But only saw Love Actually once and wasn't fussed, and I've never watched Star Trek, sorry😣
LA was made nearly 20 years ago, so was of its time.
I don't think Richard Curtis, or any of us, should beat themselves up about what was considered ok then, but isn't now, providing any offence wasn't intentional.
I would certainly have done some things differently with the benefit of hindsight.

20 years ago is no time it was 2001 hardly the 1900s.

Isottime · 04/12/2022 18:42

I didn't watch it at the time and so saw it for the first time fairly recently. The misogyny in it is horrible.

As the way stalking someone is portrayed to be all sweet and romantic.

ImAvingOops · 04/12/2022 18:46

I don't have a problem with the Mark storyline. He isn't stalking her. He just developed feelings for the wrong person. He's a shit best friend but he isn't a stalker. The Keira Knightly character never feels threatened - if anything she seems flattered. Mark knows his feeling are inappropriate and draws a line under them himself.

KitchenFleur · 04/12/2022 18:47

ImAvingOops · 04/12/2022 18:46

I don't have a problem with the Mark storyline. He isn't stalking her. He just developed feelings for the wrong person. He's a shit best friend but he isn't a stalker. The Keira Knightly character never feels threatened - if anything she seems flattered. Mark knows his feeling are inappropriate and draws a line under them himself.

He screwed up the wedding video. Not sure that was forgivable!

monsteramunch · 04/12/2022 18:49

PurpleParrotfish · 04/12/2022 18:31

Can’t believe it’s a Love Actually thread and no one’s posted the Jezebel article yet. jezebel.com/i-rewatched-love-actually-and-am-here-to-ruin-it-for-al-1485136388/amp

I genuinely think that reading this is now a Christmas tradition for me Grin

carefulcalculator · 04/12/2022 18:50

IDontWantToBeAPie · 04/12/2022 18:14

I'd assume he meant some non white main characters.

Yes this is what I thought meant.

LindyLou2020 · 04/12/2022 18:55

Mrsjayy · 04/12/2022 18:40

20 years ago is no time it was 2001 hardly the 1900s.

@Mrsjayy
I can't recall very much about Love Actually, (as I said, I only watched it once, and that was enough), which suggests that it is a film which didn't exactly leave a long lasting, endearing, impression.
AFAIK, the film was made in 2003, not 2001, and an awful lot has changed in the last 19 years with regard to inclusion and diversity.......actually.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/12/2022 18:58

I'm really sick of this, "let's all build a time machine" nonsense. It's educational to see that things are of their time. It's instructive. I read DD books like Rudyard Kipling or Oscar Wilde and we talk about how things were different, for both the writers and the protagonists.

It's broadly the same reason I'd rather keep the statue of the slave owners but put a bloody great thing next to it with an explanation, historical context and some information about current modern slavery adn what we can do.

Those who forget or whitewash history are condemned to repeat it.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/12/2022 19:09

It's educational to see that things are of their time. It's instructive.

We've just finished watching the whole set of James Bond films, with DH occasionally interjecting 'he can't say that!Shock'.

The whole set of Star Trek is even more instructive because whereas Bond was meant to be a male chauvinist, trek was always idealistic by the standards of its time. It was always interesting to hear what Nichelle Nichols had to say about it.

Otoh 'love actually' is too flimsy a thing to bear much scrutiny.

boobot1 · 04/12/2022 19:16

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/12/2022 18:58

I'm really sick of this, "let's all build a time machine" nonsense. It's educational to see that things are of their time. It's instructive. I read DD books like Rudyard Kipling or Oscar Wilde and we talk about how things were different, for both the writers and the protagonists.

It's broadly the same reason I'd rather keep the statue of the slave owners but put a bloody great thing next to it with an explanation, historical context and some information about current modern slavery adn what we can do.

Those who forget or whitewash history are condemned to repeat it.

I couldn't agree more. It's ridiculous.

TheMarzipanDildo · 04/12/2022 19:18

I love Love Actually (shoot me). It’s of it’s time, as are most things.

Yutes · 04/12/2022 19:21

A generation is considered to be about 20-30 years. Love Actually is old.

If Mr Curtis feels that way, then maybe he should write a new woke Christmas rom com?

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/12/2022 19:24

The whole set of Star Trek is even more instructive because whereas Bond was meant to be a male chauvinist, trek was always idealistic by the standards of its time. It was always interesting to hear what Nichelle Nichols had to say about it.

It is true that ST is supposed to be the best of us. Very interesting to se.

DepIndoChridmadWidMe · 04/12/2022 19:31

Has RC got a new film coming out? They usually start saying anything for attention when they've got new crap to flog.

mirandasma · 04/12/2022 19:36

hear hear!

IDontWantToBeAPie · 04/12/2022 19:45

@Mrsjayy in 2001 I was in Yr 1 of primary school... now I'm 27 with several degrees, my own home etc. it is in fact quite an old film.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/12/2022 19:54

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Bard6817 · 04/12/2022 19:55

Was an ok xmas film. I’d call it popcorn.

Why does all our entertainment have to be polluted by anything other than an interesting or engaging story and characters. The problem is that when injecting a diverse cast just to tick boxes, it tends to take more precedence than story or characters and thus the quality of story telling we see is getting worse in many areas.

If Richard Curtis actually meant what he said, the on screen talent included Chiwetel Ejiofor and he was put into a bit part role… It’s not the lack of diversity on screen that was a problem - yes there could have been more presentation - but would have it mattered.

When we have 120lb females beating up a group of 200lb bad guys, it’s a waste of an opportunity to have female leads who are meaningfull, rather than imitating men. The travesty is that men would actually enjoy such films too, ask a guy to name a list of great films that have strong female characters and they have a list of them. The reason that it’s important to have men enjoy the films, is that it adds box office and thus is more likely to be a commercial success, if the creators want a mixed audience. Success = More films along that linage.

Another example is John Boyega in Star Wars. Came across as a diversity casting, relegated to fairly meaningless bit part, virtually no meaningfull impact on the story and no character arc…. Hugely under-utilised for the amazing actor he is (watch his performance in Small Axe) because it was so focussed on a bland female lead who was amazing at everything within 5 seconds of trying. #yawn. Again, why couldn’t they have a female character that initially follows the Luke footsteps and then evolves into her own persona, bringing something different to what Jedi’s were, other than good with a lightsaber.

In the west, most stories have already been told…. We get reruns of old stories…. I’d love to learn more about the world from a non uk or usa perspective and the stories other parts of the world can bring. It seems hollywood can only shoehorn a gender or colour change into the same old stories, without adding anything new. Probably why i watch more foreign films and programmes these days.

Yes i’m generalising, there are occassionally some new interesting things…. But diversity for diversity sake isn’t a good thing. There is a rich network of actors and actresses out there from a range of backgrounds, we need great stories for them, not shoehorning.

The one exception i immediately think of….. Is i’d love Idris Elba being bond. He has the on screen persona to make it his own.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 04/12/2022 19:56

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/12/2022 18:58

I'm really sick of this, "let's all build a time machine" nonsense. It's educational to see that things are of their time. It's instructive. I read DD books like Rudyard Kipling or Oscar Wilde and we talk about how things were different, for both the writers and the protagonists.

It's broadly the same reason I'd rather keep the statue of the slave owners but put a bloody great thing next to it with an explanation, historical context and some information about current modern slavery adn what we can do.

Those who forget or whitewash history are condemned to repeat it.

This

Georgeskitchen · 04/12/2022 19:56

As he wrote and directed the film, and probably cast the characters, it's surely down to him, is it not, that it's not diverse enough?

Mrsjayy · 04/12/2022 19:59

IDontWantToBeAPie · 04/12/2022 19:45

@Mrsjayy in 2001 I was in Yr 1 of primary school... now I'm 27 with several degrees, my own home etc. it is in fact quite an old film.

Well now I just feel ancient 😅