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Anyone going to see the new Downton film - I'm tempted

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BasiliskStare · 19/04/2022 20:56

I suppose it is one of those things where you know what you are going to get but from the trailers it looks a bit like Agatha Christie "The Blue Train" I suspect I will go.

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diddl · 01/06/2022 20:01

Toddlerteaplease · 10/05/2022 00:41

Saw it again with my friend, (who snoozed through the important bits) but he really enjoyed it. In the series finale, Lord Merton is supposedly dying of pernicious anaemia. But Cora's isn't terminal?!

Lord Merton didn't have pernicious anaemia.At Edith's wedding Dr Clarkson told him that it wasn't that.

A different kind I think.

But when he was told it was pernicious anaemia it was understood that he wouldn't live long.

Wanderingowl · 19/06/2022 11:22

The cure for Pernicious anaemia was found by accident in 1926 but it involved a diet high in raw liver. There were experiments in extracting raw liver juice and injecting it into the muscle. I'd guess that he'd be a bit more cautious in his prognosis. He couldn't possibly know that Cora wasn't going to die based on a promising treatment that was discovered only 2 years before. For all he'd know at that point, the effects of the raw liver would be temporary. We know now that they were not, but in 1928, he'd say something like 'we have lots of cause for hope with this new treatment.'

And I have to assume he's definitely going for the liver extract injections because if he was telling Cora that she would feel a lot better and might even live her full lifespan if she eats pieces of raw liver a few times a day, she'd be having a lot of mixed feelings.

Wanderingowl · 19/06/2022 11:41

I thought it odd that Violet left the villa to Sibby as all her other grandchildren were so taken care of. Marigold and Caroline have no greater inheritance coming for them than Sibby did and like Sibby (by the end of the movie), they each have a half-sibling set to inherit enormous fortunes as George inherits Downton as Matthew's son, while Henry's daughter Caroline has no claim on any of that. And Peter gets to inherit Hexam as Bertie's son but Marigold has no claim on it. They won't be penniless, they are still pretty much minor aristocrats and will be given something by their wealthy families but so would Sibby have been.

Eastie77Returns · 19/06/2022 17:27

@Wanderingowl I watched the film today and thought the exact same thing about Marigold and Caroline. They will both watch their siblings inherit a fortune and grow up as the poor relations. I suppose Marigold would be a bit better off as Bertie would make provisions for her when he dies. I think another film focusing on the cousins going into the 1940s would be good. George will be old enough to enlist as war breaks out and there’s enough material for lots of half sibling angst.

Glad Barrow got his happy ending(!) but it all happened so quickly after such limited interaction between him and Rex who clearly has the world’s strongest gaydar.

I think the tan weirdness was because they shot the scenes in France before the ones at the start of the film.

It was a good bit of escapism on a dreary Sunday morning but the script and lack of real drama let it down.

NancyJoan · 21/06/2022 20:20

Marigold and Caroline will also both inherit from their mothers. Robert can’t pass the Abbey on to Mary and Edith, but they will get a stack of his capital. Not an estate like George but still a decent amount of £££. Sibby’s living parent is a working man with a salary, but he won’t be able to pass money on to her in the same way.

Eastie77Returns · 22/06/2022 06:31

Shouldn’t Sibby get the share of money Robert would have given to Sibyl if she were still alive?

Forgot to mention one other thing in my review..I was thinking about the actress with the cockney accent and it reminded me of the minor shock I felt when I heard the actress who plays Mary speak IRL!

Wanderingowl · 22/06/2022 11:31

NancyJoan · 21/06/2022 20:20

Marigold and Caroline will also both inherit from their mothers. Robert can’t pass the Abbey on to Mary and Edith, but they will get a stack of his capital. Not an estate like George but still a decent amount of £££. Sibby’s living parent is a working man with a salary, but he won’t be able to pass money on to her in the same way.

The whole first season was based around the fact that nearly all of Robert's money, that came from Cora's family, is tied to the estate in the entail. He had lawyers trying to untie the family money from the estate, so Cora's money could go to her daughters rather than a random cousin but there was no way to do that. He specifically can't leave very much to his daughters which was why they very much needed one of them to marry Matthew. And anything Robert leaves to Mary and Edith, he could also leave an equal amount to Sibby. The Levinson's would probably leave money to Edith and Mary, but they would be equally inclined to leave similar to Sibby. Sibby's stepmother will inherit a huge estate that obviously has no legal demands on it or her mother wouldn't be able to leave it to her illegitimate daughter. So she could easily leave a sizeable inheritance for Sibby.

Marigold could inherit from her father's estate which he left to Edith. And Caroline could inherit half the car business, which Sibby could inherit half of as Henry and Tom are partners. Of Violet's three grand-daughters, Sibby was best off by far even before getting the villa. Marigold was second best off and Caroline is the poor relationship who's biggest asset will be her half brother being an Earl, which may get her a more advantageous marriage.

latetothefisting · 22/06/2022 12:01

@Wanderingowl you're forgetting that Mary already owns half of the estate though (because Robert made Matthew joint owners when he saved it via his inheritance from Lavinia's father in S3, and he then gave it to her in his will). They skate over the fact that for him to have been able to do this they must have broken the entail at that point (but basically the whole entail thing is completely misrepresented anyway as it's always been possible to break entails, and they were abolished in 1925).

So technically Mary could will her half to Caroline, so she and George could be joint owners. Or if George died in WWII he could will his half to either Mary or Caroline so both could end up owning it fully. However it's doubtful either would actually do that, as only George could inherit the title, and that was the whole point of primogeniture, that you wouldn't be a penniless peer, with a title but no land. But Mary could certainly give the majority of her inheritance to George while still making sure Caroline had, for example, that other Manor house they were going to move to at one point in S4, or the dower house, or the house in London or whatever.

I suppose the thinking was that the money in Sibby's new family all came through her step mother - although they all seem lovey dovey now there's no expectation a stepmother, particularly when/if she and Tom have their own kids, would want to give a fair proportion of her estate to a stepdaughter (particularly as depending on what the estate consists of, there may not be much to give away - if 4 kids own a quarter of a house each but they aren't allowed to sell it, it's as good as not owning anything!). Whereas Edith and Mary would always want their own daughters to have whatever they could legally give them, and both Downton and Brancaster are very big, well managed estates with multiple other properties.

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