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peanutfoldover · 26/12/2019 22:49

Did anyone else watch this gorgeous film today? I absolutely bloody loved it and it had stayed with me all day. I have never read the book I must admit so cannot remark on that, but blimey what a fabulous story.

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NewName73 · 07/01/2020 13:12

Absolutely Piggy - The March family was only poor in comparison to Laurie's family next door. Compared with the poor old Hummers, or whatever they were called, they were positively minted.

I guess that's the point of the story!

Piggywaspushed · 07/01/2020 14:31

Yes : genteel poverty...

Deecaff · 07/01/2020 14:53

Bit slow at first but really enjoyed it overall. Thought Laura Dern was fine, she looks in her 50s to me.
I presume they weren't trying to make Amy look 12 as she looked about 18 at the youngest.
Fave scene was when the publisher and his wife were bickering and his daughters came in and said you've got to publish this book.

WarwickLife · 07/01/2020 18:07

Although I'm a keen reader, the last time I read this book was at school, aged about 12, so I couldn't remember any details of the story before seeing the film. From my viewpoint, I did get the undercurrent of anger within Marmie and the strong feminist message in the film came across to me. In fact one of the most memorable moments for me was when Marmie quietly spoke about how she feels anger every day. I didn't need her to shout or fume at this moment. Her quiet words spoke volumes.

BlouseAndSkirt · 07/01/2020 18:25

Piggy thanks for that info, really interesting! I wish she had put more of that in the book, or they had put that in the film! Far more interesting than all that frock talk!

Wh0leCl0ves · 07/01/2020 18:33

She didn’t look angry, bar that comment you’d have never known. Her daughter was seriously ill, husband off fighting, country at war, apparently frustrated and angry..... really insipid and bland acting. I expect more from Laura Dern, not her finest by a long chalk.

Piggywaspushed · 07/01/2020 19:52

I guess she couldn't at the time blouse (repressed and all that) but yes, I think a really interesting film could be less reverential to the text and show those things.

Or, if I could write films, I would write an actual screenplay about actual Louisa May Alcott. Like Saving Mr banks or the Beatrix Potter one.

It is interesting that only two adaptations have ever kept in the angry line, Gerwig's being one, all credit to her for that.

TotheletterofthelawTHELETTER · 07/01/2020 21:34

I’ve just watched it today and I loved it.
Florence Pugh as Amy was brilliant, she really brought depth to Amy and made her bearable.
I didn’t think anyone would beat Winona Ryder’s Jo for me but Saoirse Ronan did.
Laurie wasn’t right for me but like others have said, the first time I’ve actually felt like he and Amy should be together.
Beth was good but Claire Danes did deathly ill better.
Scenery and setting were great.
We did say when we left though that if you didn’t know the story well it could get confusing with the same actors playing young and old, but I liked that.

Piggywaspushed · 07/01/2020 21:41

Pugh has got a BAFTA nod I noticed.

Toorahtoorahaye · 08/01/2020 00:24

Just back - i enjoyed it and it’s certainly beautiful to look at - i just didn’t feel it’s tge best or mist moving adaptation I’ve seen. It also gave away one of the key plot elements fairly early on for those new to the story.

pallisers · 08/01/2020 01:17

And don’t get me started on the racial politics. The unnamed black woman gets one line that is supposed to be the conscience of post slavery, and a carefully staged scene in which Jo is very polite to a black ticket inspector. At that exact time, the time span of Little Women, Harriet Tubman was risking her life.

Not surprised you raised this because there is a long history of women being expected to budge over to make room for racial politics - starting with the right to vote after the civil war. Imagine a world where you could talk about the issues women faced in the 19th century AND the racial issue. You could have films and books and art that dealt with both.

It is particularly aggravating when people raise this about Little Women. Is it so hard to have one story that focuses on women as opposed to all the issues men created and then decided women should focus on?

Black men got the vote after the civil war. That black ticket inspector would have the vote. Jo, her sisters, her mother and her aunt and probably their daughters for most of their lives would not. And they don't deserve their story told either???

The reason women feel so connected to Little Women is because it is a story that focuses on women living lives in their own right. and then we get the whataboutery of course.

Piggywaspushed · 08/01/2020 06:56

I agree but did you see the thing I posted about how involved the Alcott family were in both suffrage and abolitionism? They were very good people.

Piggywaspushed · 08/01/2020 06:58

too I do think we have to remember it's an American film. I do not believe a single American goes to see LW without knowing the plot about Beth!

BlouseAndSkirt · 08/01/2020 08:17

Pallisers I am talking very specifically about the film as I have not read the books.

A book, and therefore film, about the lives of one family, in detail, fine.

Jane Austen managed the whole of her canon with no reference to the wealth coming in from the plantations except a reference in Mansfield Park, I think, and focused on life as her characters saw it, and the lives and (lack of) freedoms that her women have.

What I found extremely tokenistic in LW was that they apparently inserted a quick ‘right on’ comment from a single black woman character who appeared for less than 10 seconds, to say “you should still be ashamed of your country “. No further debate, comment or context. So just there to try and insert some politics. A tick against that box. Film makers liberal conscience: tick.

The book is set in a time of huge social change and upheaval. There may be, probably is, there usually is, more actual detail about how they lived and why, in the books. What we get in the film is 4 women with different artistic talents / interests. 1 died, 1 gives it up for true love, 1 turns out to be of middling hobbyist talent despite a huge opportunity to train, and one makes it because she is good and determined. But amidst all this what we hear about is clothing and romance.

I just don’t find this of great feminist force.

Not surprised you raised this because there is a long history of women being expected to budge over to make room for racial politics

No wonder black women talk of white feminism! I dare say the black character glimpsed in the film has her own feminist frustrations.

I think it is valid and interesting to write one character’s story. In which case don’t insert clunky political tokenistic extras, or allow your readers / film spectators to say “I would have found the details of the Alcotts involvement with the Underground Railway and suffrage more Interesting than mooning about over Laurie, and see long shots over fabulous clothes’.

BlouseAndSkirt · 08/01/2020 08:21

Sorry, bit garbled; I mean if you insert quick political references , the audience have the right to observe that they may find that part of the narrative potentially more interesting.

HappydaysArehere · 08/01/2020 10:51

Little Women is a wonderful, iconic, unforgettable book. This production was well acted, lovely locations but it wasn’t a patch on the 1950’s film which kept to the story throughout and showed the humour and real love within the family.
The one I saw yesterday leapt backwards and forwards in a needless attempt to add something else to the story. It touched on various aspects of the book without any real depth. It hammered away at the feminism angle which was unnecessary as of course Louisa M. Alcott had already done a perfect job in creating a free thinking, independent young woman. The film missed out so many things thereby losing so much of the humour and details of the girls character. It also added things in a vain attempt to mess with perfection.Jo was really well cast, as was Laurie, Meg and Aunt March. Amy had blond hair but that was as far as the likeness went to the Amy in the book. There was no humour (couldn’t they find a peg for her nose?) and what about her mispronunciation of words in her attempt to be an elegant young woman. Also Amy was really pretty. Then we come to Beth who acted well but was very robust despite her delicate health and the film company obviously couldn’t run to a few kittens to show something of her kindness and gentle nature. As for depriving Professor Bauer of his chance to present Jo with her published book which she had sent to him for his opinion, well that was the worst omission. The film showed nothing of their growing relationship in New York. Okay, the film wanted to show how well the actual book did in the end so rewrote it. The book of course had a book called “My Beth”. To add why have Amy about to marry someone else? Why bother adding something when they missed out so much?

Toorahtoorahaye · 08/01/2020 13:25

Happydaysarehere - completely agree. Itblooked beautiful and had some lovely touches but just felt lacking in sincerity and intensity somehow. I was a huge fan of all 4 books so probably more difficult to please. I’d lije to watch the original June Allison version again now.

HappydaysArehere · 08/01/2020 15:01

Toorahtoorahaye I think if you really love those books you don’t really want anyone messing with them so we become more critical. I don’t know if you saw Gone WithThe Wind but that is an example of a film staying really close to the book and that is why it has never had a remake as it can never be bettered. I know how you feel about the fifties June Allyson, Elizabeth Taylor,Janet Leigh, Margaret O’Brian and Peter Lawford version. Perhaps it will appear on the tv soon as often older versions of new films do! Hope so and hope that any youngster reading the book has a chance to see that one.

FenellaMaxwell · 08/01/2020 15:09

@HappydaysArehere Amy was set to marry Fred Vaughan in Alcott too.

HappydaysArehere · 08/01/2020 15:50

I don’t recall that at all. Thanks for telling me.

Loveislandaddict · 08/01/2020 16:06

She was set to marry Fred, but turned him down. She liked his wealth and startups, but then decided she wanted to marry Laurie.

In the book, jo concludes that Beth is in love with Laurie as well (earlier in the book).

EmmaGrundyForPM · 08/01/2020 20:19

The book has Fred propose to Amy and she turned him down. When she tells aunt March her Aunt realises she's in love with Laurie even though Amy doesn't realise it herself at that point.

HappydaysArehere · 09/01/2020 10:48

Thanks for the information. I recall a lot but not those details so must get my copy out which I received almost seventy years ago !

Gone2far · 09/01/2020 12:19

I really enjoyed the film (more than I expected). I loved the ending, where Jo talking to the editor is separated out from the book she has written. I thought that was very clever - especially the marry/don't marry bit.
I thought Beth and Amy were both played very well.
I thought the actress who played Jo was good, but totally overdid the 'boyishness'. I think the lines of etiquette were so strictly written then that, if Jo had behaved like she did in the film (like sitting with her leg over the arm of the chair while talking to Aunt March), she would have been viewed as not just 'boyish' but crazy.
Also, the later scene with Jo and the dying Beth on a windswept beach looked wonderful, but would you really do that if one of you was mortally ill? I think the direcot got a bit carried away.

Piggywaspushed · 09/01/2020 13:31

There were 'bluestockings' though who openly behaved in a 'boyish' way and Jo is pretty much meant to be one of this brigade, even though at times she is conflicted about it.

Aunt March very much disapproves, hence her taking Amy to France!