Louise Thompson and surrogacy

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Louise Thompson had, by all accounts, a very traumatic experience during childbirth where she nearly died.

She has now decided to use surrogacy for a second baby. She is using a private IVF clinic in London and posting a lot about how hard she is finding the egg retrieval process.

I really don’t understand how she can, in good faith, do this. She is all too aware of the risks that a healthy woman can face. Yet she is choosing to buy another woman’s body, and expose her to potentially life long health consequences. I’m disgusted

Sure. No ‘external’ pressure is doing a lot of lifting there. Internal pressure, even self imposed, is a significant factor here too.

Isn't she the one that is always ill all the time? I've seen her in the Daily Fail almost on a weekly basis, often pictures of her in tears as I think she suffers from severe mental health issues, so I am surprised that she would be deemed fit to even look after a second child. I always have the image of her filming herself crying on camera.

She has chronic PTSD, and a whole encyclopaedia of medical conditions and hospital appointments, so I do hope that her existing child is on Social Services' radar. She's practically the poster girl for poor health, both physical and mental. She seems incapable of dealing with life and could really do with a psychiatric evaluation.

Her Partner also claims to suffer from poor mental health with low mood. Doesn't work and lives in Louise's house that her parents bought her.

It is really not a healthy environment for another child.

I think she can barely manage with the first as she is always ill - but never ill enough not to be broadcasting it continuously on social media or making films of herself crying. Bizarre. I would be the last thing that would cross my mind if I was upset, ill, depressed, etc - to film myself. I guess it is some sort of cry for help / attention.

Surrogacy is evil when you think of all the children in care that are desperate to be adopted.

Are you saying that if the foetus is female, they'll just abort it?

That's disgusting. I really do think that there is something mentally wrong with her.

Spot on- this all so clear from her own social media posts and anyone who can exercise critical thinking.

How is he controlling?

Ryan and louise discussing their surrogacy on a podcast.

the language Ryan uses reduces pregnancy, birth and the surrogate herself to functions and services. He minimises the human, physical and relational realities of gestation and early attachment.

He calls the surrogate a Baby hotel.
Refers to it as The Most expensive hotel you can pay for
Says it is Someone’s job to carry them
He doesn’t want to meet the surrogate
He’s Wanting it “as clinical and transactional as possible

louise has decided to position herself as a maternity campaigner.

You can’t argue that pregnancy is too dangerous and traumatic to endure (she is quoted as saying ALL birth should be treated as an emergency) and simultaneously treat it as something another woman can be paid or persuaded to take on for you.

I don't think people should be allowed to mistreat babies regardless of how rich they are.

@HappyTomato thats absolutely disgusting and very telling. Like a human Deliveroo then? I heard her saying it’s “their right” to have another child. No it’s fucking not. Spoiled children themselves.

And Down’s syndrome

*Edited to say I realise that is not relevant to the woman who is the surrogate but based on a friend’s experiences - only informed of the raised risk of using donor eggs by doctors after child was born. I imagine there must be many other elevated risks to the foetus that aren’t advertised by infertility clinics

yes exactly. A click and collect baby.

Ryan says: And I want to fly out on said day and I want to come home with our baby.

Edited to add. He also says in his podcast, talking to Louise:

“And what I mean by that is I think I need this to be as clinical and transactional as possible.
I don't necessarily want to go to Georgia.
I'm not even sure if I want to meet the person.

I don't know if I feel it necessary to build a relationship with the potential surrogate.

Because if I can put a face to this process, I'm going to start to build a relationship with that person

And the idea of trusting someone strange to carry my child is an almost impossible task.

And I think the only way I'm going to do it is if I have a feeling that you'll probably want to go and spend time with this person, build a relationship because that's the sort of style you have.

I don't think from my lens that I can go through that.

Overseas? Bought and paid for then. These people should be prosecuted for human trafficking.

Here is the transcript of their podcast.

Th conversation is between Ryan Libby and Louise Thomson, discussing their surrogacy options. On their own podcast.

absolutely vile, talking about basically a click and collect baby. It should be illegal.

That is genuinely one of the most exploitative things I’ve ever read. Would not be out of place in the Epstein files. Horrifying exploitation of vulnerable women. Dehumanising. And not a single thought for the baby and its trauma. Disgusting people.

Are they using a Georgian surrogate ??

I can understand the mechanism of how pre eclampsia and gestational diabetes risk is higher but why is a donor egg pregnancy more like to result in Down’s syndrome if the donor is younger etc?

Who is she?

She was on made in Chelsea.

Bloody hell.

Clearly she's using some sort of filter or face tuning app, because she looks nothing like the photo below. She was on morning TV and her eyes are definitely not this large, even the jaw and chin is different - her real face is much squarer.

I'm a bit shocked that she sees herself as a 'maternity campaigner' because if she lies about how she really looks online, how do we know she's not telling lies about other stuff? It really undermines a serious issue. I'd rather it was a normal woman campaigning instead.

She was on This Morning just now with her partner. She actually seemed pretty uneasy with surrogacy. The counterpoint actually came from Cat Deeley who said, just a throwaway sentence maybe, but that surrogacy was "so easy in America" (where she's been for 12 years) and "works really well".

Thompson was explaining about in the UK surrogacy has to be altruistic and the carrier of the baby is legally the mother regardless of genetics and Deeley genuinely looked shocked.

I have found her behaviour recently appalling. She announces she is going to be pushing parliament for better maternity care and tried to spearhead herself as an advocate for pregnant women. The following week she announced she would be using a surrogate. A few weeks later they confirmed in a podcast that they view the surrogate as a commodity. The timing was so so strange.

Trying to stay current. Her son has been monetised since birth. I no longer follow her. She has a very long thread on Tattle

sorry if it’s already been said, but her partner Ryan has repeatedly referred to the surrogate as ‘a baby hotel’. He said he wouldn’t want to meet the surrogate, he would want to just fly there (they’ve talked about wanting to find a surrogate in the country Georgia) to pick up the baby and go home. This was on two different episodes of their podcast
edit: sorry I’ve just seen that this has already been mentioned , should have read the bloody thread

In short, this. She’s either utterly thick or utterly selfish. Most likely both.

Having read those transcripts those people are monsters.