I feel sad about Angela Rayner

[Neededa]

OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

Yet why is Farage still in office?

Agree.She was vicious about others -has shameless used her disabled son this week to try to save her skin -she is a disgrace to the strong, honest, genuinely hardworking northern (and southern) working class women who uttety despise her for her hypocrisy and sheer stupidity.

Look over there quick 🙄

AR is still an MP just like Farage. He doesn’t hold any other office.

But you probably hadn't got a trust and were not buying a second home so your house purchase was quite simple, tax wise.

Some people have mentioned that Nigel Farage used tax avoidance techniques in that his house is owned by his partner, a first time buyer. The likes of Farage who come from a moneyed background grow up hard and sharp where money is concerned. This why they are rich. They pay tax lawyers to advise them knowing that the money will be well spent. Raynors' background went against her. She cut corners and took tax advice from a little local conveyancer. Had she asked the right questions of the right people she would (probably) not have made the naive mistake. If you are going to mix with the top people in their world you better behave like them. Otherwise they will carve you up.

No I don't feel sad. She didn't take advice and it was her own fault. For someone in such a public position, she should have been extra careful.

And whilst I have nothing against regional accents, her persistence in speaking ungrammatically annoyed the hell out of me. Everyone else in a position of responsibility manages to make the effort, so she clearly did as a deliberate attempt to keep thrusting her roots at us all.

And yes I am a lifelong labour voter.

Bringing it back to the ops question of whether this is a feminist issue or not- it is in that she has given fuel to misogynists by her hypocritical actions. She has let us down.

She has been judged harshly, and some people are delighted to see her go - but that’s because she has a history of calling people ‘scum’, calling for resignations and being very divisive. Yes she has come from a tough background and wants to help people like her, but as a member of the government she has a duty to act in the interest of the whole country and her background doesn’t excuse her poor judgement.

I dgaf about the background of people in high office as long as they are competent, act in the best interest of the country and aren’t corrupt.

Again, I get your politics.
I guess another question is, do we hold her to a higher standard than perhaps Johnson or Cameron?
I don’t know, maybe my politics makes me biased, in fact it I know it does.
But to reiterate, I do just feel sad that a trades union, working class woman who became deputy prime minister is no longer on the front benches.

We are under represented in every area of life.

Until all this, I felt, wow, any of us, without a silver spoon, without a private education, without a membership to an Oxford club, without a wardrobe from high end shops, and let’s be honest without a penis, could have been deputy prime minister.
I liked that and I feel sad.

I think this says it all.

Using your position for a personal matter is not a good look.

Of course there is hypocrisy from her..... but are you really saying Jenrick et al hasn't said some pretty awful things about opposition MPs??

He also bent the rules to save his mate £36million!! Broke Covid rules & claimed an extra 100k for a 3rd home.....

No resignation.

What i'm saying is people should be treated the same, i doubt you can name on the Con side, MPs who have been hounded like AR or Abbott? Truss and Bojo don't count, their own side hounded them!!

I liked her but like all these MPs I get annoyed when she constantly has to tell everyone of her working class background - surely that was obvious. Just like Starmer constantly going on about his nurse Mum or tool maker Dad. It become tedious.

When AR did her first interview with Sky to tell the truth, I wish she had explained since it was a complex situation it’s no surprise that every family with a severely disabled child is struggling in this country. She however, has access to legal advice that we don’t. She full well knew she needed a trust for her child and therefore the family home situation would fall outside normal stamp duty.

If anything, she has made us working class people look thick as shit. She thought she could get away with it and use her sob story as if she was on X factor.

I feel as bad for her as she feels when children have to move to schools because of their horrible VAT increase on school fees.

Vile women.

Because he's not deputy PM.

I do understand those of you who believe all politicians are out for themselves but I didn’t feel that about AR.

What 😂 How did you deduce that?!

Yep I’m not happy she was gone, I really wanted this government to succeed and I thought she was great for working classes and I like a lot of what she stands for, her rest is politics interview amazing how she has succeeded.
But I’m so disappointed in her, I don’t believe it was a mistake as such, I feel she was trying to do loopholes and it back fired on her this time. Im
disappointed she tried to blame the conveyancing firm…your in a key role do better, you have people around you who can advise, she should have sought a specialist tax advisor before. she knows people want her to fail and people are going to dig into everything, make sure everything is above board.

as a whole I’m disappointed in a lot of the labour team in terms of the freebies etc I wish starmer had laid out to everyone right we are going to be above this no freebies over say £100, right we earn enough that we don’t need to expense silly things etc. Just wanted them to be different in terms of conduct but they all appear to be the same.,

Yes good point re the last paragraph, I hadn't even thought of that. Another point is that all these politicians have spent years making tax more and more complicated such that someone has to seek advice just to buy a house (and most people don't have access to Starmers top lawyer mates). I have never heard Rayner calling for tax simplification (that's if she even knows what it means as she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer!).

So you are saying it is fine for the Deputy PM to not know the importance of taking advice? That it is ok for someone in that role to cut corners and take advice from local conveyances, ignore it and throw them to the wolves by lying about it?

It was my opinion

labour party did not screw up the country. It was already screwed when they took over the mess

Angela Rayner has done exceptionally well to get to the position she held, but she should have been aware that shouting about her background etc, maybe for the sympathy vote could open her up for more scrutiny over her affairs.

She bought a property, and in her position it was always going to attract the medias attention, sadly for her she did not get the proper legal/tax advice for the purchase and likely didn't divulge the correct information to those who did advise her.

I'm not a fan of hers and think that her arrogance has cost her dearly in her career and very much doubt she will be re elected when the time comes.

The prime minister should have sacked her days ago, hopefully there will be a vote of no confidence a a full leadership vote and he is replaced

Just because she is working class, there is no reason at all why she should not have accessed specialist advice. She did not and has paid the price for her own stupidity.

In my opinion it also demonstrate how unfit she was for the high office she had been given, if she was not intelligent enough to realise.

I don’t feel sorry for her- she should have known better. I don’t think she has any real principles- she sucked up to the right of the party for the sake of power and its trappings (e.g. expensive properties) and it got her here.

I agree with you about AR. It’s sad really. Not a fan of the Labour Party as they are today, however I agree with you.

Remember though we did have a PM who was female, working class, state school. Yes she went to Oxford - but that’s because she got in based on her intelligence level nothing else. She never had a silver spoon in her mouth. Grocers daughter. She spoke the way she did because she had very specific lessons to do so, she knew, in those days especially, she’d be judged if she spoke in her natural accent.

The greatest shame is that AR fcked up and squandered this opportunity. But such is life.

Well they left it in the deepest depression for seventy years last time round. And certainly seem to be doing an impressive job of ruining the economy now.