I feel sad about Angela Rayner

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OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

Yet when Farage does it, it’s fine?

I don’t know how anyone aware of the reputation of Lawrie Magnus can continue to talk about dishonesty and hypocrisy. Infuriating lack of caution and extraordinary misjudgement and she had to go. But no suggestion of wrongdoing.

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I would have a look at some AR's past rantings before you say KB is spiteful, tbh

She didn't take advice. She gave the convryancing firm incorrect advice. She's a deceitful hypocrite. I'm glad she's gone.

I think my upbringing was much worse than Angela's and was thrilled that she was in office.
I am really annoyed at what she has done. She's a disgrace frankly.
I'm also disappointed that Chris Packham (who I had a lot of respect for) is choosing to defend the indefensible, by stating his support for her. Mind you he lost some credibility when he got his step daughter a job as a presenter on Springwatch. I hate nepotism.

If you are going to preach at people, at least live by what you are preaching.

No i don't feel sorry for her she's clearly a clever woman and it's admirable that she got to the podition she was in but she's quick enough to point out the mistake,s of opposing politicians
And i think some of these comments are a bit patronising and coming across as bless her she made a little mistake no harm done
I can guarantee if this was a male conservative politician attitudes would be very different.

I totally agree, I actually quite liked her, didn’t always agree with her politics, but admired her for being a role model.
I can’t believe that she has been so naive, she must have known it would have come out at some point.

Why are we calling her naive? She was a hypocrite.

The advice was incorrect. That’s not her fault.

I guess Farage purchasing a house in his partner’s name, to avoid any SDLT at all, is fine?

Badenoch’s reaction is, as ever, spiteful

At least she's never called anyone else scum.
Women from working class and minority backgrounds only get celebrated if they're members of certain political parties, apparently. Nor would she be given the grace and sympathy Raynor is receiving on here.

I agree with you OP.

I listened to a radio phone in with some tax experts and conveyancers yesterday. They all had differing beliefs on what they would have advised re her specific tax situation with the trust fund. Ultimately it was a pretty complex situation and shines a light on just how ridiculously complicated our tax system can be

Hmm when we were purchasing a house our aolicitor advised us how much stamp duty we had to pay …… . Other people who have bought houses - who advised you?

Analysis of the Cabinet last year shows that the vast majority went to a comprehensive school, only 2 members went to Independent schools. Yes, AR was the only one who didn’t go to University, but there were other female cabinet ministers who are ‘Northern working class’ and in fact lived in the same area as AR. They’ve managed to no evade paying £40K stamp duty though.

Farage did it and he’s got away with it

The reason she had to go was that she was told to take expert tax advice, didn’t and paid the wrong tax for her housing transaction, as Housing Minister.

I agree OP but unlike you I also wouldn’t have managed to get worked up about this if it had been a Tory MP. It just seems like such a non-issue. In her particular case I think the fact that she was so vocal calling for resignations when Tories made cock ups makes it worse for her.

If the political environment was such that there was just more understanding for genuine mistakes like this on both sides then she wouldn’t have had to go. I liked Ed Davey’s response and wish politicians were more like that.

I care about the integrity of politicians and how they are solving the country’s problems. So many more important issues than a stamp duty mistake and it feels like we have lost a good person who was committed to the country for no good reason.

Well thats not true at all..... Hunt Jenrick and Zahawi all fiddled to save themselves tax or others millions, yet no resignations, no witch hunts in the press.
Farage avoiding SLDT too, all ok, careful tax planning......

Rayner has been subject to years of hounding and mudslinging, its something women on the left of politics have to accept.

Badenoch lied about her education... so what, we all do!!!

Boris and his mates extracted millions over covid. She has ruined her career over 40k. But there is the difference. The British public will not tolerate a mistake by a working class woman but will bow down to corruption from their “betters.”

i would never put her in the same category of sturgeon who is responsible for her own self destruction but do notice they did go over a similarly moderate sum. The working classes appear to lack the appetite and skills for true corruption that others with generations of privilege feel entitled to.

They’d be calculating it based on the assumption that the purchaser was giving them the correct information. Or are you honestly saying that she DID give them the correct info, but they got it wrong? If that were the case, then why would she have resigned?

She has pissed me off massively with her arrogance and hypocrisy and has set back working class women achieving high positions.

As a working class woman I am furious and embarrassed by her.

It's all so

"The working class can kiss my ass, I've got the foremans job at last"

I'm sure she's heard of it.

The advice was not incorrect, she didn’t follow it. The advice was to get tax advice and had she done so she would have been told the correct tax. That is very d3finitely her fault.

Buying a house in your partners name is not unlawful anymore than putting your son’s money into a discretionary trust so he can still claim benefits despite having hundreds of thousands of pounds to his name is.

What Farage has or hasn't done or what any Tory might have done worse is not the point, although I appreciate it is a convenient attempt to justify AR's behavior.
None of the above were attack dogs, baying for resignations, calling people scum and all the while doing the same themselves.
And if they were, you would be the first to say they had to go, wouldn't you?
Can you not see it's the hypocrisy that's the issue here?

Exactly both herself and Keir were extremely sanctimonious when they were in the shadow cabinet about the " mistakes " made by the the than Conservative politician, s now the boots on the other foot they have to be held to the same standard.