I feel sad about Angela Rayner

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OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

How about conducting a civilised discussion with some facts instead of launching into personal attacks? This appears to be the latest tactic of the right - “you don’t understand”, “you don’t comprehend”, “you have no knowledge”. It’s very transparent.

6500 Teachers over a Parliament, surely even you know thats over 5 years not 12 months.....

Maybe not.

The data for the past 5 years are in the public domain.

Kim Leadbeater, Yvette Cooper, David Lammy, Shabana Mahmood - to name a few.

Following your logic.

Basic arithmetic Lesson No.1

What is 6,500 divided by 60?

Let's be quite clear - you were the one that started with personal attacks.

Nobody who manages to get into parliament is working class. Not even Jeremy Corbyn but I feel he sold out the least to his constituents

Yeah an average of 1400 per year since 2010, Labour in their 1st year alone have doubled that.....

What are you talking about?

Don't be shy, Council houses.... which is what you replied to me on..... we all forget things now and then....

I must disagree that ‘internecine warfare is the nature of Labour’. It is actually in the nature of every political party from the dawn of time. That can be neatly explained by the fact that the last nine years have given us no less than six Prime Ministers - eight of which were not Labour.

Try reading the thread properly. You replied to me - you've clearly forgotten or misunderstood.

It’s impossible for Labour to have achieved anything in one year on the housing front
The planning process and design process alone takes longer than that

Anything that’s completed on site will have started out well before Labour got into power

I’ll go with Cooper and Leadbetter. Happy to accept that Mahmood may be good.

But Lammy? I really don’t think so. He’s useless.

Absolutely but they still managed to db CH builds .....

Though will they get any recognition? nope.

I'm not a fan but he has impressed Vance and Trump, which is what we need, would have preferred he stayed.

I don’t think so. I just pointed out that nothing this government did would ever please you. Now tell me I’m wrong.

You know full well that you made several personal insults to me on another thread. Perhaps you've forgotten. Either way, it makes no difference whatsoever to me.

That’s fair. He may be warmer and better in person.

But I really don’t think he’s likely to last another year in cabinet.

I doubt it because it’s not my style. I suspect you’re confusing me with someone else.

Who would be your picks, out of interest? And why do you think Lammy is useless?

Looks like Labour may be about to water down Reeves’s Worker’s Rights Bill….

Justin Madders was not exactly a household name. But as the employment rights minister he was one of the key architects of the “new deal for working people” being pushed through Parliament. Over the weekend, he was quietly sacked. In his place, Peter Kyle, a close ally of the PM, will take charge of employment rights within an overall business brief.

It’s not a great field to pick from, to be honest.

Healey has some gravitas, as does McFadden. And I have some admiration for Kendall, frankly only for resisting tearing into the fools on the Labour backbenches. Alexander has a track record as a safe-ish pair of hands.

Lammy has done nothing of any note whatsoever, except being able to overcome his attacks on Trump and forge a relationship. It’s been very noticeable that Lammy has been kept off any significant international matters and barely appears in interviews.

Why do you think Lammy is any good?

I don’t know what db stands for
im guessing CH is council house?

Why does that mean the bill is about to be watered down? Do you have any reason to think Kyle doesn’t care about workers’ rights?