Ironic how reform tell us all immigrants are a danger to women when a reform mp attacked his girl friend bad not just a push as he described it

[Littlemissgobby]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reform-uk-mp-jailed-for-repeatedly-kicking-his-ex-girlfriend-386193/

Isn’t it funny how all these right wing men always say? They want to look out for women and help protect them? It always turns out that half of them are dodgy motherfuckers.
You have the guy that has just had to step down that Donald Trump wanted to be the Attorney General he’s got loads of sex trafficking offences against him Matt gaetz .
Then you have this gentleman maybe not a gentleman who brutally attacked his girlfriend but yet they were convinced the average Joe that we should all be scared of the immigrants I think to be honest with you I’m quite a lot scared by these right wing twats what about yourselves?

Other countries take way more asylum seekers than us. Turkey for example takes millions. Other European countries take more than us. I read that only around 5 - 10% of asylum seekers coming to Europe make their way to the UK. The numbers are small compared to other countries yet there's a false perception that most asylum seekers want to come here. Not true. We have to do our bit. I wouldn't want to close the doors to genuine asylum seekers (and 80% of them are geuine). I wouldn't want to be part of a country that turns away people simply because they're men. That's discrimination. The men come first to get established. Women and children are more vulnerable and likely to die on route.

It doesn't matter where they've come from in order to claim asylum. The fact is their claim is processed and if it's found they have a fear of persecution, they're given refugee status. There's no law that says asylum seekers need to make a claim in the first safe country.

They haven't claimed asylum in any other country. You need to claim asylum, it's not automatic on entering a country.

France has something called 'sovereignty' that means they get to say who comes into the country. They have told the UK that they won't accept the people on the small boats back.

You can't just change laws, that's not how it works. We have signed various international treaties and even if we withdraw from them, the law remains.

You seem to think the whole of Europe is one culture. It's not, each country in Europe has its own culture and the predators are from different countries.

Your 'solutions' are just fantasies. They don't coincide with reality. I asked for feasible suggestions ie things that could actually be applied.

I'm not ignoring any violence against women, that's the point of the thread. I'm not ignoring the violence a Reform MP perpetrated against his girlfriend.

Sorry but I don’t want to be put at risk because you feel sorry for these men.

That girl in Kent gangraped by four Afghan boys or that poor woman orally raped to death by an asylum seeker, they are just collateral damage for your ‘bigheartedness’?

You should change the law to discourage ‘irregular entry’ and choose women and girls applying from, say, the British consulate in Turkey. And decide beforehand how
many you’ll take, so you know you have the funds etc to support

And of course Turkey would
take in more; they are next door and a Sunni Muslim country. It’s a better fit, just like Eastern Europe takes in the largest share of Ukrainians due to cultural similarities (also note that it’s mostly women and children, so people
are more likely to welcome them).

I said “other countries outside of Europe” and you cited only European countries back at me.

We have gone above and beyond “doing our bit” and local women and children are suffering for it. Not to mention we don’t have the resources.

I’d like to know the source and criteria for 80% of asylum seekers supposedly being genuine.

Allowing an imbalance of lone men discriminates against local women and girls and puts or lives in danger. Men commit 90% of violent crime and 98% of sex crimes. There is no way of tackling male violence that doesn’t hurt men’s feelings.

I never said that they all come to the UK? I’m well aware that they also congregate in other European countries full of bleeding hearts.

And no we’re not obligated to do anything. Like I said, other countries outside of Europe largely don’t.

Laws can be changed. What a ridiculous assertion. There is nothing to stop us getting a similar sovereignty law.

There should be no “asylum” for anyone if you’ve travelled through safe countries without first attempting to claim asylum there. Theres another law that can be implemented.

When did I say that Europe is one culture?

The reality is that many European women and girls are suffering as a result of the presence of these lone men from cultures hostile to European women. Many rapes and sexual assault have happened. That needs to be addressed. How about YOU come up with a reality-based suggestion that mitigates this risk?

There's no point having a discussion with someone who is lost in la la land.

Enjoy your day.

@WishinAndHopin I'm working so a rushed response. This shows Germany and Poland being the only countries in Europe which are in the top 10 countries who take the most refugees. Iran and Turkey are at the top, other countries in the top ten include Pakistan, Bangladesh and Ethiopia so much poorer countries than us are taking in more refugees. These are the 10 largest host countries for refugees in 2023 | Concern Worldwide

This goes against your assertion that "And no we’re not obligated to do anything. Like I said, other countries outside of Europe largely don’t."

Going back to laws changing alternative country processing and refuge is possible within current laws

Although greater pressure will likely happen. Maybe not here first but listening to radio this morning some talk in Germany, re a few politicians from party leading the polls and the ECHR

So we agree. The reform MP should lose his job

AND

Those two women ( and the many more) wouldn’t be dead if those immigrants were let in.

We have enough violent men in our country - do we need more that cannot be tracked for who they are and past crimes because they threw their papers away?

Was Natalie Shotter's murderer an asylum seeker?

Great idea. The best thing to do, is get all men and move them to an island somewhere. That way no women can be hurt by men.

Otherwise it's just nonsense. We can't prevent male immigrants from coming into the country. The vast majority of crime against women, is committed by people they know. Not strangers.

Stopping male immigrants from coming into the country will not stop crime against women.

Originally yes he was although the media has gone to great pains to hide it.

And yes we can prevent unchecked people coming in - they just didn’t want to. They are not even monitored in the hotels they stay in and are allowed to wander off.

Violence against women will never stop but we really don’t need to tip a huge whopping bucket of men who have witnessed extreme violence and death and who’s culture views women as dirt in to
the mix.

Every single women and child and male who have died at the hands of an ‘asylum seeker’ could have been prevented. Every single one

Can you provide a link please as all I've seen is that he lived with his family in a private residence.

We can't prevent people on the small boats coming into the country. It's not like Germany for example, which has other countries around it and can prevent entry.

Our options are let them float around in the sea and don't allow them to land or put them into planes and drop them somewhere. We won't know where because they won't have been processed - do you think either of those are a likely scenario?

Fortunately very few women are harmed by asylum seekers. The vast majority are harmed by British men. Men like the Reform MP.

I've seen several reports that asylum seekers and immigrants are actually no more likely to abuse women that British men. Them having witnessed violence or "viewing women as dirt" (in your opinion) is irrelevant in terms of the threat they pose.
I actually know many men from the countries who you're talking about. Not one of them view women as dirt. They are very respectful. You making these claims is actually racism/xenophobia. You may not think it is, but it is. You're assuming a large group of people have certain values based purely on the country they came from. Yes, horrific things happen in these countries but don't assume any of these people support them. They fact is, they're trying to get out.
You simply can't deny human rights to people because they happen to be male. It's not workable - where would it end? I don't want women to having superior rights to men. Human rights and equality for everyone is what we must strive for.

I have lived in MENA and some absolutely view non-Muslim women as whores. Ffs literal radical Islamic terrorists in Syria enslaved non-Muslim girls: this is unthinkable in most countries tbh.

And it looks like you are ready to sacrifice the safety of women in order to ‘be nice’ to foreign men. Honestly, this is what you are doing.

You can wrap it up anyway you like, but your post is telling me, ‘sure a minority of women get hurt/raped/killed but we’ve got international obligations to fulfill!’

We can't prevent people on the small boats coming into the country. It's not like Germany for example, which has other countries around it and can prevent entry.

How does Germany prevent people from entering and claiming asylum?

Do you mean a physical border running along it? Actually I'm not sure what you mean

Well I certainly wouldn't want any radical Islamic terrorists to be admitted into the country and I'm sure our intelligence services keep a close eye on such people. But that's the problem, viewing all Syrian men as having the same views as radical Islamic terrorists. I have colleagues from Syria and not one of them has expressed any such views. They're kind and respectful men who've been appalled by what's happened in their country. As I said, if you look purely at the facts then asylum seekers are no greater risk to women than your average British bloke.

Germany has set up temporary controls at all its land borders and is turning people away in order to control unregulated migration.

Germany has set up temporary controls at all its land borders and is turning people away in order to control unregulated migration.

Do you mean this applies to people entering say on foot or other not at a temporary control in Germany can't apply for asylum? As there's not a physical barrier for entering along the border

I can only see the recent decision on applications from Syria on Google, plus fast track to remove those who can't stay

But it looks like asylum process is still happening, do you know where you saw it? Maybe there's more info I can't see

https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/EN/2024/09/binnengrenzkontrollen_pm2-en.html

@username8348

Entry is currently denied to people who do not have valid entry documents, who present forged or falsified documents, or who attempt to enter without a visa or valid residence title.

From that article. It doesn't include refusing asylum claims, so I don't think your earlier post having land not sea is a factor for asylum

I didn't say they were refusing asylum claims. I said they were turning people away at the border in order to cut down on irregular migration.

Of course it's possible to turn asylum seekers away if you are landlocked. The problem is it's illegal.

Germany's far right AfD party want to break the law and refuse asylum seekers but they'll run into trouble with the EU if they do so. They'll also cause problems with their neighbours.

We don't have that option as we have no immediate neighbours.

@username8348 ok so not something they are currently doing.

What you linked differs from people crossing the channel and going through the asylum process.

Germany still does the same, sea or land makes no difference for the asylum process currently.

As for what they might do a CDU politician talked about leaving the ECHR today.

We've had similar, it's pretty much the only mechanism that will enable change. That's not down to sea or land either.

We'll see if there's an electorate who gets there, but they are polling ahead for upcoming elections. It's not the whole party but a shift that I'm not surprised by.

We don't have that option as we have no immediate neighbours.

To counter this we'd be in the same position.

Well I certainly wouldn't want any radical Islamic terrorists to be admitted into the country and I'm sure our intelligence services keep a close eye on such people

Is this a joke? Do you know what vetting means? They have no idea who sneaking in via boats and trucks.

But that's the problem, viewing all Syrian men as having the same views as radical Islamic terrorists

I don’t. But these are strangers who’ve not had background checks, so you’ve no idea.

I have colleagues from Syria and not one of them has expressed any such views

I have had lovely Syrian colleagues (I’ve worked in MENA). And yet, Syria is full of people who have fought with ISIS and Al Qaeda (no less than Al Jolani for one)

As I said, if you look purely at the facts then asylum seekers are no greater risk to women than your average British bloke

Being younger males, they are actually riskier. And why are you asking British women to take on these extra risks just so you can feel like a do-gooder? Women have been raped and murdered by asylum seekers, saying it’s actually not THAT many is frankly appalling.

Only one schoolgirl gangraped. Only
one mother whose face was melted by an acid attack, only one woman stabbed with a screwdriver, only
one woman orally raped to death on a park bench …

And here is a story concerning young Syrian asylum seekers raping a Newcastle girl: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-68446855.amp

I found this part very disturbing: The judge said the other defendants were "followers" of the brothers and learned from them that "local girls were there to be used and played with"

Who is going to stand up for these women and girls?