Ironic how reform tell us all immigrants are a danger to women when a reform mp attacked his girl friend bad not just a push as he described it

[Littlemissgobby]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reform-uk-mp-jailed-for-repeatedly-kicking-his-ex-girlfriend-386193/

Isn’t it funny how all these right wing men always say? They want to look out for women and help protect them? It always turns out that half of them are dodgy motherfuckers.
You have the guy that has just had to step down that Donald Trump wanted to be the Attorney General he’s got loads of sex trafficking offences against him Matt gaetz .
Then you have this gentleman maybe not a gentleman who brutally attacked his girlfriend but yet they were convinced the average Joe that we should all be scared of the immigrants I think to be honest with you I’m quite a lot scared by these right wing twats what about yourselves?

That you do not accept young male
refugees. Why should they feel safe at the expense of local women and girls?

Ukrainians have not been as much of an issue for reasons that are cultural as well as the fact that it’s mostly women and children.

You're not answering the question. Asylum seekers turn up on the shores of the UK and are given leave to claim asylum.

People who become refugees have a fear of persecution in their home country. It's against the law to send people back to a country where they are in danger so what do you suggest governments do?

I don’t know why the UK cannot outlaw irregular entries and then allow refugee women and girls to enter if you wish to help.

You could do a ‘stay in Turkey’ and have them apply at a British consulate under a certain figure laid out in advance.

Of course now they can all go home

Because your idea is discriminatory. You can't outlaw men from claiming asylum. You could certainly try and then they'd take the government to court.

Turkey isn't a colony of the UK - we have no agreement with Turkey to take our asylum seekers.

No, but Turkey is a safe country that many migrants first land in. They then pass through lots more safe countries before finally making it to the UK. If their motivation to leave their home country was purely based on safety reasons, they’d not travel across a huge continent of other safe countries including across the English Channel, but rather seek refuge in the first safe country.

The inhumanity shown on here by some is shocking!

The majority of refugees do. I believe Turkey has the most refugees in the world.

There is no law requiring people to claim asylum in the first safe country.

You could have just made this about the asshole who battered his girlfriend which I would have fully have got behind but you made it Party political. Don’t kid yourself that Left are not capable of being abusive to their partners. They are men. Abusive men come from all walks off life. For example the violence from these men at the let women speak rallies is disgusting.

Quite right, but think about it from a practical point of view. Why does this happen? I’m afraid many people don’t want to think about why and the logical outcomes to that thought experiment because it might shake their own views on the issue.

And also - these men who have flooded the country - who have often left their wives and children at home - are coming from a place where extreme violence, killing and death is a daily occurrence & women’s lives are worth very little. They are a bloody danger to our way of life and the safety of our women.

Go away with your ‘seeking refuge’ when they have travelled through many safe countries. It’s the benefits they receive here - that Starmer fought very hard to ensure they were entitled to years back that’s the draw.

They are a bloody danger to our way of life and the safety of our women.

You sound very concerned about 'our women'. How do you feel about the VAWAG crisis in the UK? One in four women are estimated to experience abuse at some point in their lives.

One in three will experience sexual assault. Men can rape with impunity because our judicial system is failing 'our women'. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about the Reform MP who has a conviction for kicking in his girlfriend, since you care so much about 'our women'?

Yeah it’s bad so why make it worse for
yourselves by allowing male refugees from Syria?

Let’s not forget that ISIS took control of parts of Syria and enslaved women and girls simply because they weren’t the right kind of Muslim. These were some of the elements fighting Assad as well, don’t kid yourself.

Abuse by local men is bad. It will take a lot of work and social change to fix that.

When it comes to violence from foreign men? Utterly preventable, just don’t let them in and return anyone who has entered without vetting.

It is really that fucking simple.

Yes, it reminds me of Tommy Robinson's EDL mates. Several of them are guilty of child abuse, yet they only seem to care about children when the perpetrators are Muslim.

I don't think there's anything surprising about this.

Reform are just the latest iteration of UKIP. Remember Godfrey Bloom who said women are sluts who don't clean behind the fridge?

They'll say wherever they need to in order to whip up anti immigrant rhetoric, and they know that invoking nice British women being attacked by immigrant men will resonate with the electorate. It doesn't mean they care about women.

The irritating thing is, they're not necessarily wrong on all counts, even if their motives are completely twisted. I live in France where there have been a number of high profile cases recently of women being raped and murdered by migrants who were supposed to have left the country. Every time it happens, public opinion hardens more against immigration from the countries the perpetrators invariably come from. The government could have calmed the situation considerably (and saved a few lives in the process) if they actually ensured that people who have been ordered to leave the country actually do so, and are never let back in.

Because these ideas that foreign men are all rapists is driven by racism, not concern.

Women are more in danger from their husbands than they are from marauding hordes of foreigners. Stranger rape is very rare, whereas rape from someone you know is commonplace.

Your thinking is really fucking simple, the solutions to violence against women are not.

This is the problem with populism and their slack jawed voters. They say whatever they think you want to hear without offering any real solutions.

You don’t owe anything to male refugees.

So why should I be at risk because you want to be nice? These men are largely unvetted, we don’t know anything about them.

Your argument is similar to ‘most transwomen are not rapists! So just let them into your bathrooms bigot!’

Boundaries are healthy, actually.

This is the problem with populism and their slack jawed voters

Nice stereotype there. I thought you didn’t like to trade in them.

Again, call me whatever names you like. I won’t stop advocating for the safety of women.

If we look at the world from your perspective, we don't owe anything to anyone. I'm pretty proud of the UK for the way we offered refuge to those fleeing war in the Ukraine and anti democratic crackdown in Hong Kong.

We also give refuge to those fleeing the Taliban and the Iranian regime. I'm against the small boats because they're dangerous and exploitative. IMO people are better off staying in France than making that perilous journey.

The goal should be speeding up asylum claims, deporting those who fail the process and working internationally to crack smuggling networks.

Women need to be better protected with a zero tolerance attitude to domestic abuse and sexual assault. Asylum seekers are not responsible for the vast majority of VAWAG in the UK, British men are.

They are not in danger of persecution in France.

Healthy young men are the least vulnerable individuals in any situation. So why are the vast majority of asylum seekers healthy lone young men?

Increasing the proportion of lone males raises crime for local females. Why should local females be set on fire to keep foreign men warm?

You also seem to have skirted over the “unaccompanied” part of my post. What’s wrong with just bringing their wives?

Finally the UK is overcrowded and lacks material and financial resources. Why does it fall on us? There are dozens of other safe countries around the world.

What do you suggest the government does?

Not allow asylum of unaccompanied males.

In addition, individuals travelling from safe countries such as France should not be permitted asylum.

Now you answer my questions.

So you’re going to ignore the rapes and attacks these men have committed?

I’d imagine the Nurse who was orally raped to death on a park bench or the hotel worker who was stabbed to death with a screwdriver families would disagree with you.

The men coming from Afghanistan and Iran can escape because they're men. Unaccompanied women cannot travel in Afghanistan and women are very restricted in Iran.

There was a recent conference regarding women in Afghanistan held in Albania and women were dragged out of planes.

The journey across Europe is arduous and there are a lot of predators. Women are particularly vulnerable to traffickers. The idea is for the male to establish himself in the country of refuge and bring over his family.

We can't refuse refuge to men. It's illegal and we can't send them back to France because France won't take them back. We can't send them back to Afghanistan or other dangerous countries because it's illegal. They'll take the government to court. You saw the Rwanda fiasco, it was illegal.

Do you have any solutions that are feasible?

They wouldn't have known. Banks don't routinely do DBS checks on their staff, its only for specific regulated positions and he was just a junior admin assistant, not in an FSA-regulated job. The vast majority of jobs don't require a DBS check.

I told you my suggestions. You haven’t answered all my questions.

They are not asylum seekers if they have come from France. It is a non-issue because they should never have sought asylum in the first place.

Change the law. You keep saying ItS iLLeGaL. Laws can and should be changed.

How does France manage to get away with simply not accepting them back? How does every other countries outside of Europe get away with not offering asylum? We can do the same.

Your point about women from these regions not being able to move around and being predated when travelling across Europe just proves how dangerous to women the culture of these lone men is.