"Boys' poor mental health stems from feminism."

[Whattheduckery]

Just been in a training session at my school and this is what the trainer has said. She followed with "because they don't have a club to be part of..."

It's made me so mad.

Bit convenient that you removed the quote I was responding to. All you show is that I stated boys are taught not to hit girls, which is true. It doesn't mean that they don't ever.

At least argue against what I said rather than try and make things up.

You went on to say that men don't hit women and you're trying to derail in order not to answer the questions.

Misogyny is hatred of women and domestic abuse, rape and murder is very clear evidence of mysoginy. Gender Based Violence, is violence committed because of sex. Women are murdered and abused because we live in a patriarchal society, that dehumanises women and doesn't respect their rights.

You can say bollocks as much as you like, the fact is quarter of women will experience abuse by a man in their lifetime. And two women a week will be killed by a man. Millions will be raped and sexually assaulted and we have one of the lowest convictions for rape because women are not respected.

I agree. I think the education system appears to suit girls behaviour better because the socialisation of girls to sit still and be quiet is applied more aggressively to girls from the off. So they get to school and the result of those different patterns of socialism become apparent.

You went on to say that men don't hit women

Quote please.

Maybe somebody can give me a straight answer to the below question....

Is it reasonable to define a demographic by the actions of less than 1% of that demographic?

So can we say that....

Muslims are terrorists.

Black people are knife murderers.

Women are child abusers.

Men are taught from a young age not to hit girls, yet female characters can wallop a man around the face in a film and people find it hilarious. It's seemingly most common in romcoms which are mainly watched by women. Imagine if a bloke slapped a woman hard around the face. Nobody would be laughing!

And so on.

Do you want to answer the questions or carry on asking for quotes?

I think a lot of people struggle to differentiate between the two statements below.

Men are violent.

Men are more violent than women.

I don't see the statement 'men don't hit women' anywhere in that quote.

What I see is the explanation that we tell boys that hitting girls is wrong whilst laughing at women hitting men.

As I stated above, telling people not to do things doesn't actually mean that they won't.

So that's twice now that you've erroneously put words in my mouth and not been able to back it up.

What questions would you like me to answer?

And maybe you can address my above question too.

If men are taught not to hit women, how do you account for the two dead women a week and one in four women experiencing abuse? How do you account for the millions of sexual assaults and rapes?

How do you account for the manosphere, incels and angry men who not only want to take women hostage and rape them, but have murdered women? How do you account for Andrew Tate and others like him to talk of women as possessions with no agency?

So, you actually want me to answer four individual questions, each a deep topic in it's own right at almost 1am? Well, more than four questions if you count 'murder and sexual abuse' as two different topics. Okaaay.

I observe that it's a common tactic on the feminism boards to try and shut down posters by asking loads of questions and then relentlessly asking for clarifications on the answers, then clarifications on the clarifications.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but it's going to have to be the short version as I'm up in four hours to work a 10 hour shift operating heavy plant/construction machinery and vehicles. Not killing my workmates is kinda the priority here.

Andrew Tate seems a damaged individual. He apparently had a difficult childhood, possibly witnessing DV if I remember rightly. He came to fame as a fighter so didn't really need to moderate his attitude in the same way he would've in most normal jobs.

The types of men that support him are likely not that different from some of the extreme feminists that dislike men. To me these women almost seem like female incels.

Young working class men are increasingly lost as physical strength isn't really key in today's world like it once was, and blue collar jobs are disappearing to an extent. Tate tells men that they 'shouldn't be ashamed to be male' and this runs in contrast to a lot of trends whereby men are expected to feel collective shame for the things other men have done - i.e. innocent men should feel ashamed for stuff they didn't actually do. Many push back and sadly walk right into the arms of people like Tate.

Government stats claim that around 3.5% of women experienced sexual assault last year - less than one in twenty. The other figures are I believe from surveys, and the real truth is hard to ascertain as the vast majority of non-government surveys also find that women commit more DV than men - including the biggest DV study ever conducted, which was a meta study of 1700 previous peer reviewed studies. So the 'truth' ultimately depends on which surveys you choose to believe. I personally think both sexes commit more violence than crime stats show, because much of it isn't reported.

You ask how two women are killed every week in spite of men being taught not to hit women. Another way to look at this is that 99.99% of these men do follow societal cues and don't kill women. Completely erasing crime and violence from human society will never happen in our lifetime and probably not ever.

That's all I have time for right now. Perhaps you can answer my one question.

Thank you for proving my point.

You don’t have a point, so it can’t be proven.

You asked So you also extend this reasoning to all groups? For example also to the demographic to which the grooming gang members belong?

I responded that the demographic to which grooming gangs belong is men.

You have proven my point that you’re ok with prejudice and stereotypes as long as they support your narrative.

If it was as simple as ‘all men’, women would be equally oppressed around the world.

And yet you are free to broadcast misandrist views on an internet forum while women in other parts of the word cannot even speak in public.

How do you feel about feminism?

I actually have academic background in feminism and published a few papers in the old days.

I supported it when it was about women’s rights and the equality of sexes, as well as ending the sexual exploitation of women. When it was about being ‘different but equal’. It was a long time ago, I know.

I do not consider myself part of a movement that denies the biological reality of sex, preaches hatred towards men as a sex, tells women sex work is empowering and biological males should be welcome in female spaces. I also consider endlessly bashing the West while at the same time ignoring the horrors women in other parts of the world endure daily highly hypocritical.

I do not consider myself part of a movement that denies the biological reality of sex, preaches hatred towards men as a sex, tells women sex work is empowering and biological males should be welcome in female spaces. I also consider endlessly bashing the West while at the same time ignoring the horrors women in other parts of the world endure daily highly hypocritical.

Interesting, an academic who considers feminists one homogeneous mass or hive mind. Who doesn't recognise that there are millions of feminists working throughout the world to achieve equality for women; fighting for women to be treated as human beings with dignity and respect.

One who has done so much research, that they're parroting MRAs and ideas from the manosphere. Who probably thinks Andrew Tate makes a good argument.

What is prejudiced or stereotyped about the observation that grooming gangs are by overwhelming majority men? In fact I have never seen a woman among them, although they undoubtedly used women and young girls to procure girls. That is simply a fact. Do you deny that?

Somw countries are more liberal than others and in some countries women have fought tooth and nail for rights over the last 100 or so years. That is the difference between the U.K. and Saudi Arabia.

I think you’ll find that it was you who homogenised the idea by asking what I thought about ‘feminism’.

You don’t need to lecture me about the differences, my academic background wasn’t in the UK.

I disagree with the direction of travel and have the right to do so.

Don’t demean yourself to ad personam attacks or implying that because you disagree with me I must like Andrew Tate and the likes.

Seems it’s perhaps you who cannot grasp the fact that someone can be a feminist and disagree with the majority of what Western liberal feminism stands for today.

An academic background in feminism. But makes the fundamental mistake of presenting feminism as one united philosophy and claims that feminists welcome men in female spaces - what is then GC/terf, and why have feminists lost their jobs over GC views, Pull the other one.

One who has done so much research, that they're parroting MRAs and ideas from the manosphere. Who probably thinks Andrew Tate makes a good argument.

Quite.

Feminism is a political movement made up of many strands of thought, there are millions of feminists from many different cultures whose goal is the human dignity and respect of women. There are many different ways of achieving that.

I disagree with your view of feminism which is reductive and belies lack of critical thought. You're reducing a movement to 'man hating' and other sweeping generalisations. I don't understand why you think Andrew Tate is insulting, he'd agree with you.

But I never said it was ‘all feminism’. I said I disagreed with the movement I gave the characteristics of. You took it as me saying it was about ‘all feminism’.

So a straw man argument on your part, I’m afraid.

Perhaps worth examining why what I’ve written has rattled you so much, you resorted to ad personam attacks.

Have a great day! ☀️

You shouldn't be on the internet if you can't cope with having your views challenged.

You have a great day too.

It’s fine to run away for being called out.

That poster does not come across as “rattled”:in the slightest, nor did she make any personal attack.