Secretly filmed videos of drunk northern women

[Northernnnnnn]

I haven't posted before, so apologies if this is the wrong place.

I keep seeing videos on my Facebook and Instagram from a few different accounts, of people secretly filming very drunk, mostly dressed with very few clothes, women on nights out in northern cities.
I had a further look and there seems to be quite a few accounts of I'm assuming men (I can't imagine any woman I know doing this but then I could be wrong!) just dedicated to this secret filming of women who seem to be walking home very drunk. There is even one video where the cameraman is literally filming a very drunk woman walking being followed by a very drunk man. Why wouldn't you step in and help??

I have so many problems with these videos I don't even know where to begin, but they have brought up a lot of bad memories and feelings for me, and I hoped the feminism board might be a good place to have a discussion around this.

Firstly, there is the issue of secretly filming women who are not in a fit state to know what is going on. There is a lot of skin on show- obviously it's the woman's choice what she wears, and I often went out as a teenager of wearing similar- but I can't imagine any of them would want videos of themselves in this state, with so much skin on show being broadcast to the whole world.

Then there's the issue that, from experience, a lot of these women are going to be under 18, and many under 16- I made loads of stupid decisions as a teenager, and was raped as a young teenager while walking home from a night out dressed similar to these women- obviously what I was wearing wasn't the issue, but the whole culture of this getting so drunk you don't even know what's going on, and the fact that someone might have filmed me. This is not very well articulated but it just really upsets me.

Then there is the stereotype of northern women. There seems to be this idea that northern women are 'scummy' and 'chavvy' (words taken from video comments). There is the dressing in this way, in the middle of winter, when all the men are dressed comfortably - I don't know.ow what my friends and I were thinking going out dressed up to look so much older trying to impress men who hadn't even brushed their hair. The group of girls I was friends with at this age all had similar life stories to myself, leaving home at 15, getting raped/sexually assulated, often at work. I know that some of the old friendship group are still going out, doing drugs, drinking now we are nearly 40, which again is their choice and fine, and I have no judgement, but I've just been really shaken by these videos, and I'm struggling to put my feelings on this into words.

Thank you if you managed to get through that!

Its not about "shame". Someone could tape you dressed casually taking the bins out and then share it on multiple websites with 100s or 1000s of creepy men commenting on whether or not they find you sexy/whether you have STDs. That would be incredibly creepy and unnerving - not because you are "ashamed" of wearing those clothes or of taking the bins out. Because filming women going about their lives and then sharing it with other people to comment on and pass judgement on is stalkerish behaviour.
Earlier on you were talking about the importance of phones for encouraging "accountability" and "transparency". That sort of makes sense when people are committing crimes or being extremely anti-social though I'm still unhappy at social media being seen as the jury on this. But why do women (many of whom were actually dressed perfectly normally for a night out) need to be held "accountable" by a jury of mostly men, many of whom are on the other side of the world.

It might be legal but it is weird and creepy and fucked up behaviour and I judge anyone doing it or defending it.

Women have been filmed before just going to the gym. Obviously they don't like that (and that then started a backlash of women filming men they thought were filming/staring at them and many of the men weren't and that then caused a backlash against the backlash and an all round mess). I really don't think "If you don't want to be filmed doing things and that video shared by gross men don't do the thing" is acceptable because then some women wouldn't even want to leave the house.

What a great point. Where would society be if we couldn't secretly record women and put it up online. Society would fall apart at the seams. Incels would have to vent their spleen elsewhere from their mum's basements. The horror!

Yes it's me who's stupid. I'm the misogynist creep cheering on predatory voyeurism, believing that the fabric of society would crumble if I can't get my rocks off denigrating women online. You got me

Burn!