Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

@Verity44 Yes, not your standard school-governor behaviour! I actually read the whole thing as one big attack on us, on Tattle, on anybody who dares contradict any of her posts anywhere. Basically, we're all mental and poor Liz is the hurt party. Interesting to see how very few views her vlogs have on YT, and hardly any comments.

Definitely seen before.

@GinnyWoolf and @Verity44 I think the vitriol specifically targets ex 3.0 and partner. My assumption is that she was formally confronted about last week's allegations, with some additional accusations added and instead of letting it go, she opted to fabricate the truth to fit her agenda and satisfy her narcissistic soul.

oh well save for the self-harm/bike ‘crash’ under boob she hasn't posted any body shots recently, so to rationalise the triple repeated naked picture posts, she’s created a fantasy she now genuinely believes!

Now this is provoking and malicious. More age 9 than her 49.

“…celebrating the end of a week where karma played a strong hand, information came my way and Good Things Happened🕺.”

• It's not the end of the week, but her inner angry child can't wait to spill.
• no doubt information she can use as a weapon.
• as they always do, but these Good Things never materialise into anything significant, certainly not for ‘women’.

The trainers, we’ve seen before. The lingerie, we’ll see this weekend. She won’t be able to resist. Will it help women? I doubt it.

last year a voucher for 50 quid trainers plus no shows from adult children x 3. This year a voucher for coffee plus no shows from adult children x 3 and school child x 1. I thought she said the cost of living crisis was over!

And still nothing from our mental health pioneer on the Government's failure to include promised Mental Health Act reform in King's speech.

While charities are accusing the government of a “major breach of trust” and neglect of mental health issues, Liz Fraser has gone shopping!

Claiming to do vital work for women the reality is Liz is gas all women with mental health issues, leaving them to plod on while she posts them photos of her living her best life! I’m alright Jack… oops. Wrong grifter .

Liz’s lack of attention to issues covered by the reform suggests her priorities do not align with advocating for others.

Despite briefly facing premature mortality due to severe mental illness, oh and a minor a temporary cost-of-living crisis, eased and then abated thanks to donations from women living with mental health challenges, she really isn’t giving the impression she is or want to talk about mental illness.

I’ll help you out with some talking points Liz.

Topic 1

Rising Mental Health Act detentions, disproportionately affecting black and other ethnic communities.

2 Urgent legislation to ban conversion practices harming LGBTQ+ individuals.

3 High unemployment due to mental illness.

4 Long NHS mental health service waiting lists, emphasising the need for early intervention.

5 Strong call for a genuine, long-term commitment to invest in mental healthcare to enhance individual well-being.

My big question to you today Liz is, “are you in the Tory cabinet?” You have all the traits and characteristics to be the next leader.

@Physicsrevision

It's just about the tick list - like the one she put out celebrating her four years since she moved out of the Venice flat. It's the first time I'd heard her mention the NCDV or school governorship in months. And Edgeway Press has clearly bitten the dust.

Anyone with a genuine vocation to help (e.g. mental health/DV/trauma) applies themself to getting post-graduate qualifications and experience and devotes their life to their profession. This is clear from the many contributions from authentic women on this thread. What they don't do is itemise what they do on SM and show of in a totally shallow and meaningless way. Could she be any less relevant if she tried?

And ...

@GinnyWoolf
@Wrongsideofliz

Whoever yesterday's nasty tirade was directed to, she has said her piece and is back to her "springy step" and "celebrating the end of the week" with more fantasy good news. As though nothing has happened. Are you at all ashamed of your behaviour yesterday, Liz? Because I would be ... mortified.

She has a platform. She has weaponised that platform to the max. She has silenced others who don't have a platform. People who are frightened, unused to the public scraps she relishes or are too polite to bring their fight into the public domain. Effective strategy isn't it? 🤔

No true feminist would call another woman a c£nt.
LF is a well educated woman, why use use patriarchal and misogynistic insults.
Do better Liz.

@Verity44 She wields her white privilege, looks and body with alarming effectiveness.

She is clearly intelligent, calculating and fearless. She actively takes down anyone obstructing her path and is willing to go to great lengths to do so.

She has consumed a significant amount of police and court time, more than her fair return on taxes paid, leaving her three exes bearing the scars.

In the breakdown of a relationship, no one is entirely blame-free, but she has never once admitted to any fault. Feminism primarily focuses on advocating for gender equality and challenging gender-based discrimination. This has to be bidirectional to work.

On the subject of Edgeway Press biting the dust, this makes me chuckle from, what, about 6 months ago? Best bloody decision of her life, apparently....

Love the way in that pic on Edgeway I posted she talked about 'readers'. Nothing to read, sadly.

She does come across as very angry in that YouTube clip. She mentions shit-awful eyesight (maybe she thinks that sounds cool) but it sounds idiotic. Not sure what the point of it was tbh.

I have shit-awful eyesight 🤷‍♀️

I do find the obsession with her looks at odds with her supporting all women. There was a nice pic of her with her daughter yesterday with a message all about how much she loves her etc. Someone posted on tattle that the unfiltered pic showed every one of her 49 years and just like that the photo vanishes. I’d have thought the overriding message would have mattered more and promoted the message that healthy relationships are more important than an unfiltered but perfectly nice photo

I’m a bit lost on this. I’ve looked her up - she’s an unverified account with about 5k followers. She gets 20 likes on some posts. She’s hardly the influencer of the season.

as a genuine question - if you don’t like her content, why not unfollow her? I can’t see what I’m missing which seems to be unpicking of a woman, which, not to sound like the school prefect, but doesn’t really seem in the spirit of MN.

what am I missing here?

I think a big reason a lot of people are angry is because they have been conned out of money by her and/or had her blithely sleep with their husbands (yes, the men are at fault too) and yet she shows no remorse or understanding, whilst promoting herself as a #womansupportingwomen mental health expert (whilst calling other women cunts of course), charging for 'stuff' which never appears and blocking and abusing those who ask for refunds or explanations.

Maybe people don't appreciate this kind of behaviour

Perfectly nice AUTHENTIC photo of a mother of a middle aged mother and daughter. Perfectly fair comment. Perhaps daughter asked for it to come down. Distancing herself as she starts her career?

@ShirleyPhallus

Well, interesting question - "what is in the spirit of Mumsnet"? It's one that contributors to this thread have tried to get to the bottom of.

Agreed, objectively, Liz Fraser is not very interesting or important. But this thread is formed of people who have direct lived experience of her mistreating and silencing women, friends of those people and those who want to express support because they have had an "epiphany" after realising that she is not what she claims to be.

Perhaps I can help you to understand. I was the victim of something very bad that happened to me. I had the misfortune of having Ms Fraser inflict harm on my life. Ok, people do bad things to other people you might argue. But, far from showing remorse, she twisted the situation to make herself the victim and had me silenced. (If you want to understand the psychology read the DARVO tactic on-line).

She walked away from the mess she left me in, reinvented her life and moved on to the next. But what was even more harmful to me was her public persona of a person who wants to "help people". She even set up a publishing company to "Unsilence Women". Can you imagine how that feels when you have been silenced and have no means of going public? And she doesn't care - it's about the likes and the follows and controlling the agenda.

A friend told be about this thread and, for the first time in a very long time, I found a community of strong, authentic, supportive women who understood. Women who saw through the facade and show. And I felt heard!! And isn't that "in the spirit of Mumsnet"?

So, there you are - understand or don't and feel free not to follow this thread if it offends you. And you don't need to fight Liz Fraser's battles she is ruthless in protecting her own interests.

“Someone new”. Do feel free to check my posting history. I was just asking the question that the rest of the thread was lacking.

thanks for your reply @Verity44 , I’m sorry you went through that

I think this question of "the spirit of mumsnet" can be tricky at the best of times (for instance, I have taken exception in election times when we're rather admonishingly told to treat the politicians who come for webchats as if guests in our homes - they aren't guests! They're sales people coming here to use this platform to gain power and we have a right and a duty to grill them) - and in my opinion in takes on a particular flavour on the Feminism board.

LF isn't some harmless little woman on a harmless little money making venture. If she was selling "worry rag dolls" on fb with a claim that they will "support your child's mental health" I wouldn't be going "Well now, do we have proper peer reviewed evidence of the outcomes of giving your child a cute little hand made rag doll" - I would think "fair play, work you can do in the evenings, they'll do no harm, fair amount of skill, good luck to her".

But this isn't that. For all the reasons I have said in this thread, I take great exception to LF associating herself with the themes and the messaging that she does - ONLY using them as a hook to hang her sexual ego on with no substantive engagement - not (just) because she is annoying but because it is harmful. And imo this thread is doing good work

She has a good education, she could have done (still could do) anything. Why isn't she putting her NatSci background to some work around the unexplainedly obesegenic environment that we are now living in and bringing our kids up in? If being skinny is so great, why isn't she sharing that around?

@trytopullyoursocksup This 👏🏻👏🏻

"But this isn't that. For all the reasons I have said in this thread, I take great exception to LF associating herself with the themes and the messaging that she does - ONLY using them as a hook to hang her sexual ego on with no substantive engagement - not (just) because she is annoying but because it is harmful. And imo this thread is doing good work."

@ShirleyPhallus I hate to admit it but im another who stupidly became emotionally & financially tangled with her. I’ve shared my story lots times on the deleted threads to stop others from falling for her very convincing stories.
I’m embarrassed to keep sharing my story, but in short, as a domestic violence victim, I subscribed to her Substack about at his time a year ago when she was showing up on my social media as a struggling mother unable to feed her children or heat her home. If you’ve been in a similar situation you’ll understand why I was

Why was she showing up on my social media? Not cause I followed her but because I followed the National Centre for Domestic Violence of which she is the face and my social suggested her.
I was literally broken to realise that after counselling after years of abuse i could still so easily drawn in by Liz Fraser. She made me feel like a fool but she uses gaslighting & her profile to exploit vulnerable people like me.

The day after I sent my money to her, she was no longer destitute but hosting a champagne party & she shared the photos with me via her Substack. This platform was supposed to provide regular advice on recovering from domestic violence, but in a year, all I’ve got are some blogs talking about herself, holidays and how great her life is & asking for praise for helping silenced women like me. The irony is that she silenced me by blocking me. This is gaslighting at an entirely new level, all under the pretentiousness of working for the NCDV.

Like she is currently promoting her YouTube channel she previously posted a virtual begging bowl. I’ve attempted to get my money back but she blocked me.
Even Citizens Advice has tried & the police claim it’s not enough money to investigate. To me £100 is more than a crime to investigate & when you add up all those 100s it a major crime.

In my view people who are the face of organisations should behave only in the public interest & not make money out of it for themselves but on her YouTube she says this is how she makes money.
i think she uses her roles as an NCDV ambassador & school governor to make her look trustworthy but I’m uncertain if she has demonstrated trustworthiness in either role.
also , people who choose to have public roles should be accountable for their decisions & actions & willing to face public scrutiny & not call every who questions her a cunt or block them. She could be transparent but she isn’t & she’s not consistent in what she says.

Im also perplexed how it’s acceptable for a parent rep to allegedly send public veiled threats to another parent at the school. This public conflict is abusive & threatening & I can tell you from my own experiences not be in the best interests of the school community or NCDV users.
Her use of swearing alone is just wrong to many she represents. I’m no prude but there is a time & place for some curses but never the c word because if you’ve been abused you’ll know abused love to use this word because it shocks.

@Raffington55 @trytopullyoursocksup

The sound of vitriol literally pumping out of her in her latest post drowns out the music for me.
Her manic exhilaration suggests to me that she’s harmed or is in the process harming someone. You go anti abuse warrior, with your abuse tactics.
This is exactly what abusers do. Give titbits of information to fuel doubt. Someone said it earlier, classic narcissistic gaslighting. You made me do it.
She’s not joking that she’s a POWERHOUSE. Her anger and resentment pulse through her like the adrenaline through a savage Bully XL looking for prey.
If you’re the man lined up this weekend, escape before she can get those teeth into you. She does bite and she poisons. #sheisunhinged.