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Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Cambridgebunz · 07/11/2023 09:26

Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

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Tortiemiaw · 17/11/2023 19:10

I've just forced myself to watch one of the videos. Fuck me it's hilarious! She's kind of blaming all her failures (and money for her little schemes) on ...I dunno? People who can see through her? 'It wasn't for meeeeeeeeeee!' (But luckily I duped you into funding my summer)
She's pathetic. No friend to any woman anywhere.

Oxonmumming · 17/11/2023 19:30

Surrounded by people who love her, she says 🤷‍♀️ Which is why she spent her birthday and two A&E visits alone.

RhinoRhino · 17/11/2023 19:59

Nothing to stop Liz from repaying the generous donations to Wedgie Press out of her own pocket. It's what somebody with a conscience would do.

GinnyWoolf · 17/11/2023 20:04

It's very telling that she doesn't really seem to have any close female friends. Very, very telling. Which again makes her most unlike Virginia Woolf!

Physicsrevision · 17/11/2023 21:28

There is nothing to stop her paying people back.

There is nothing stopping her from revealing the identities of trolls. In fact, why isn’t she? She usually does!

There is nothing stopping her from setting up a dialogue on Mumsnet. A support channel where women can come together to support each other.

Liz has been invited many times to join this group and the group on T*ttle to take part in an honest and open dialogue.

The irony being many of us are her target audience; victims of domestic violence, childhood trauma, ptsd and husbands who cheated on them with other women. We know your pain Liz. We’ve been in your shoes.

Jo Tweedy, feel free to join us too. Ask us questions about our experiences. You can fill the Daily Mail for months with the story angles we can give you.

Be an actual journalist rather than an administrator cutting and pasting from instagram. You too can do better for women.

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Tortiemiaw · 17/11/2023 21:57

Yes, her gleeful '1000 views in 2 hours. Take that TROLLS' or whatever she put. No love, that's love likely to be 950 people thinking ' what a bloody awful narcissistic grifter'? and 50 blokes with nothing more to do but drool over you. Also, three fake Twitter accounts? Really? Did anyone actually care that much?

Oh, and her snarky comment about not needing a house because she lives rent-free in people's heads? She certainly doesn't need to fund her own travels does she She gets abused and kind women and sad old men to do that.

Marstonroadmrs · 17/11/2023 22:22

Liz, remember, not everything that glitters is gold.

I've personally watched it and can't help but notice some inconsistencies. Can I point those out? No? Alright then!

Let's assume the trolls have seen it too (that must be a good 90% of your views 😉), along with the "throat beards" of course. What about your friends at the local constabulary?

The more you amplify it, the faster it's spreading and you have no control over the reactions. I can assure you it's making rounds in the "LF fan club" chat groups among parents at school.

Even people in the pub are taking a look. There has even been an involuntary shout-out of "I told you so" from behind the bar 🤷‍♀️.

So many people predicted that Edgeway Press would meet the same fate as Headcase. Are you going to suggest that trolls shut down this crowdfunded business as well?

Unfortunately, it's bad timing for you as it's parents night out. Weren’t you invited?

Anyway, mock people with differing views as much as you like, but don't forget the adage: pride before a fall, babes. Especially when your output is all fur coat and no knickers.

I nearly forgot. Of course, your new lover, your kids and the "ex-lover who texted to say he misses you" are also glued to this week's edition of your now regular "na na na na na" Friday night post. 😉

Oh, and sleep tight Liz. I’m afraid it’s not rent free for you in my head. The space is taken up supporting women who have been cheated, lied to and abused by grifters.

Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Wrongsideofliz · 17/11/2023 22:24

I thought there was only one fake Twitter account 😜

LynetteScavo · 17/11/2023 22:27

So initially nothing happened with Edgeway Press because these things take time, things were going on behind the scenes, real life important things. Like looking after children and dealing with Airbnb things, and working in Salzburg and Venice. Then, nothing is happening with Edgeway Press because Liz's trolls might target her published authors, and it wouldn't be fair on them. The trolls have done this. They have won, She could have helped so many, and if the trolls cared (assuming they are good people deep down) they will now feel bad that they have silenced victims.

But it's no loss to Liz. It's a loss to the people she would have helped.
Apparently.

Erm...OK. None of this makes any real sense. It's all a bit like a sixth former setting up some business and then not quite having the commitment to see it through when they get a boyfriend.

Liz doesn't care, she's says, and actually, no one really cares. Her parents are probably rolling their eyes.

In the second video she does seem very angry. The trolls have angered her greatly, it seems. I'm sure the police will have dealt with them appropriately, though.

I hardly ever look at Insta, so when I do, I get a barrage of Crazy from LF all at once. 🍿

Mumtobesept2023 · 17/11/2023 22:29

Did her mother stage an intervention today?

Wrongsideofliz · 17/11/2023 22:35

She's brought her mum and cousin today 🧐. The same incredible mum, who, at 77, is in better shape than most students. And her cousin, who also...didn't offer support during her claimed "6-week labour" – I'm still chuckling at that!
Didn't provide support during years of abuse, didn't lend a hand during solo parenting, or in the face of a shortened life expectancy or following her ‘bike crash’. Haven’t shown up in person for years. If her parents were millionaires I’d assume the new man has money 😂

Swing out sisters. You’ve really got her 🤥

Joonio · 17/11/2023 23:13

Is there a link to 2nd video. I'm blocked from IG.

Raffington55 · 18/11/2023 08:29

Joonio · 17/11/2023 23:13

Is there a link to 2nd video. I'm blocked from IG.

@Joonio DM'd you x

RhinoRhino · 18/11/2023 08:38

If you set up a business you're bound to experience setbacks. You really need to have belief in yourself and your business idea, be resilient and soldier on. Ms Fraser doesn't appear to be robust enough to see these things through, so I hope she thinks twice and really questions whether or not she has what it takes to succeed in business before announcing further projects which will 'help others'. (Never really understood who they are supposed to help, nor now.) Thus far the only person who has been helped by her ventures is Liz herself - all good-faith donations appear to have been spent, with no meaningful output. It's pretty shocking, really. People donate in good faith, to somebody who ought to act in good conscience. But doesn't.

RhinoRhino · 18/11/2023 09:06

I thought a big part of feminism is women succeeding. Dreaming big, and achieving goals.

I didn't think feminism was about giving up. And blaming others.

Shortbread49 · 18/11/2023 09:29

I wonder if she will remove founder of Edgeway press from all her info

Raffington55 · 18/11/2023 09:34

She bleats on about not being able to work on Edgeway Press being no skin off her nose as though she set it up as a charity -- ONLY for others. But remember all those posts shouting at the world telling everyone how EXCITED and PROUD she now was to be a PUBLISHER? Just shows how this was yet another vanity project, the purpose of which was primarily to rankle her ex. Notice how she completely lost interest when Mike got shared custody of Scout? She couldn't target him through her silly unsilencing venture. Going online and blaming the failure of her business on trolls looks dire and shows a tragic lack of backbone for one purporting to promote strong women. But I expect most of her readers see through it all anyway. She's unstable and all over the place. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

Juniper744 · 18/11/2023 09:45

It’s never her fault!!!!

Most recently it was Mike to blame. Before this, unspecified “the horrors.” Then illnesses making her too ill to work. Now it’s unidentified trolls.

Wrongsideofliz · 18/11/2023 09:47

Liz, share the messages of these trolls. Let us work together as a force of women to drive change and to show these trolls they can’t break strong women like us. We were each broken, but now we’re are a combined force for equality.

Luz, get your amazing, strong, inspiring mother to be the leader of our mum’s army. Three generations of strong women breaking down misogyny and the patriarchy.

Come on soul sisters, let’s show the troll sisters that we mean business! 😉

Shortbread49 · 18/11/2023 10:24

How can other people actively prevent a publishing company that isn’t actually doing or publishing anything in the first place am I missing something

Raffington55 · 18/11/2023 11:35

Who's the toxic ex who texted that he missed her - or would that be another lie? Maybe that was behind last Friday's victory march?

Lindaofoxford · 18/11/2023 13:05

Liz’s thanks and apology on behalf of the trolls to Edgeway Press supporters and investors may seem shrewd, yet its passive-aggressive undertone reveals her primary motivation: self-protection rather than genuine gratitude or remorse.

However, Liz has a unique opportunity to transform this situation into a valuable lesson in trust and association.

Promoting transparency, open communication and resilience can benefit not only herself but also fellow women and entrepreneurs.

This positive and constructive approach fosters personal growth and contributes to the success of others in the entrepreneurial world.

I plan to divide this already long post into two parts. First, I’ll put on my career coaching hat, and then I’ll switch to my life experiences hat, sharing insights as a woman and feminist in her 50s living in the highly competitive and still largely patriarchal city of Oxford 😉.

Part 1 Lessons from the Press. (Liz, feel free to use as a blog outline.)

1.	<strong>Know your target audience</strong>: you can guess of assume. Research including price groups is vital. Sustainable revenue is a vital indicator of a thriving business, not social media likes.
2.	Build a strong support network: <strong>Genuine</strong> <strong>support</strong> from your network is crucial through both highs and lows.
3.	Maintain <strong>emotional objectivity</strong>: Make rational, goal-focused decisions to align with long-term strategy.
4.	Align actions with values: <strong>Ensure your personal reputation </strong>aligns with company values to maintain a positive reputation.
5.	Embrace constructive criticism: Surround yourself with individuals who provide <strong>valuable feedback</strong>.
6.	Prepare for the long term: Develop a <strong>robust business plan </strong>with clear objectives and crisis planning.
7.	Be financially transparent: Ensure <strong>clarity in financial dynamics and payment models</strong>.
8.	Balance independence with support: Maintain decision-making independence while appreciating community support.
9.	Manage your online presence: <strong>Engage wisely </strong>in online communities to manage their impact effectively.
10.	Find the right balance: <strong>Seek both support and constructive criticism</strong> for personal and professional growth.
11.	Avoid <strong>over-reliance on praise</strong>: Sustainable revenue is a better indicator of success than praise alone.
12.	<strong>Handle criticism professionally</strong>: Use it as a tool for improvement.
  1. Value critics over people pleasers: Your harshest critics can provide the most valuable feedback, while people pleasers may offer the least valuable insights. 14. Embrace diverse perspectives: Foster personal growth and healthier relationships. 15. Create a marketable product: Focus on target market research, value proposition, quality, pricing and strategic marketing. 16. Prioritise your audience: Tailor products and services to meet specific market needs, not your personal want.
Tortiemiaw · 18/11/2023 13:30

God Linda!! How dare you tell her how to successfully manage her life and businesses- I mean, she's had THREE...er...fail...so far!! Why would she take notice of sensible balanced reasoning?

Lindaofoxford · 18/11/2023 13:40

Part 2

Point 2 from part 1: Building a strong support network plays a crucial role. Genuine support from your network proves essential through both highs and lows.

While it was charming for Liz to express gratitude to her supporters, it’s disheartening to see these businesses, individuals and groups capitalising on Liz’s success when they can see money making opportunities from her enterprise, only to disappear when challenges arise.

Entities like The Bookseller, BBC Local Radio Cambridge and Oxford, The Missing Bean, Gulp Books, Tap Social, London Book Fair, Oxford Literary Festival, The Society of Young Publishers (SYP) Oxford, her village of friends, her parents and adult children have remained notably silent.

Rather than allowing Liz’s business to collapse, they could unite, lifting Liz up and creating a community-driven enterprise—a true demonstration of feminism in action.

This emphasises the need for solidarity, support and empowerment in the Oxford and wider business community to:

1.	Empower women entrepreneurs like Liz with equal opportunities.
2.	Encourage women to cultivate supportive communities and collaborations.
3.	Challenge stereotypes by highlighting the value of collaboration over self-reliance.
4.	Amplify women’s voices, ensuring they aren’t left alone during challenging times.

Regrettably, when challenges arise for Liz, many consistently choose to stand back, allowing her to be criticised by those who disagree with her and to flounder along in the world, alone.

These individuals, along with the anonymous sycophants on various platforms, pose a more significant threat to Liz, as they refrain from encouraging her to think critically before acting.

None of these sycophants pointed out that her business model lacked robustness or that promoting a mere germ of an idea is poor practice.

When seeking funding, objectives, targets, timelines, submission guidelines, codes of practice, draft contracts and a clear payment model are essential. It remains unclear who should be compensating whom in this venture—Edgeway Press or the writers. Both models are viable in publishing, yet none of these concerns were addressed.

These individuals allowed Liz to venture blindly into a situation she couldn’t manage. Establishing a business is challenging under the best circumstances and it becomes nearly impossible when one lacks experience. Liz lacks experience.

Liz’s vulnerability is well-known to those around her, considering her fragile mental and physical health. She perpetually finds herself in conflict with someone or something.

Where was the supportive community, friends and family when Liz needed them most? Their presence was most crucial when she initially introduced an idea that came to her, quite literally, in the bath.

Where are they ever? No one should go to hospital alone. Spend their birthday alone. Liz requires a physical not virtual community to protect her from herself.

Although her mother may possess more physical fitness than most students, Liz needs her mother to be even stronger in empathy—one who sits down with her, offering the love and attention she so desperately craves, eliminating the need to seek it from strangers.

This really is a desperately sat situation.

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