Girl Guides trans policy

[KareenaQueena]

Hello, are there any campaigners who want another activist to help reverse the Trans policy allowing any boy or man who identifies as a girl or woman to be part of the supposed girl-only organisation?

Or is there anyone out there wanting to join me? I'm using non-violent direct action to highlight the lunacy of their 'trans' inclusion policy. But I am alone in this, so far.

There must be a high percentage of parents who are not aware that boys and men could be sharing toilets and sleeping quarters with their daughters.

When I asked my Brown Owl about the policy she didn't know anything about it and said boys would never be allowed to use the girls facilities but I pointed out the policy states that exactly what would be allowed. She also wasn't aware of the TIM Guide Commissioner in Nottinghamshire who was found posing with guns and, wearing fetish wear under captions including "boobs do you want to see more?" and "behave or mistress will have to punish you"

I also asked her to find out who guided the policy. she told me Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence.

I contacted Girl Guides HQ to ask the same question and to ask which womens' organisations they asked, They failed to tell me which organisations and didn't respond to my question about womens' rights groups being asked.

Our girls are not confused. Our girls are being gas lit into thinking a girls body might have a penis.

Any advice welcome. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

4 year olds?

Guides is for older children.

Would you be OK with 11-13 year olds sharing, mixed sex?

I would not.

I agree re 13yos. But how about 4yo rainbows with adult women with penises. I think Wolfpa has gone quiet now she’s been shown she was wrong with her statements

They always do.

When they go on camp they are seperated by sex for sleeping, showering, using the toilet and if they need any personal care.

No they’re not. They’re separated by self ID gender. So a trans woman, self ID’d as such, who declared themselves a cis-man the day before, still with a penis, can share sleeping and washing facilities with cis-girls with vaginas.

They are not separated by sex. These were the main safeguarding issues Katie and Helen raised, I believe, and were thrown out for asking.

does this change your view?

Mass withholding of subscription fees/boycotting may be the only thing the HQ listens to.

Re read please.

I was answering a question about how it was different from scouts - ie the SCOUTS separate by sex. THAT IS WHY IT IS DIFFERENT.

Clear enough now?

The membership aren’t brave enough.

they’re not even brave enough to say when they disagree with something Girlguiding do because they’ll be thrown out for it. You know they’ve called the police on people who have said that they disagree with trans policy? Many people have been thrown out of Girlguiding for asking perfectly legitimate questions.

members were up in arms re selling the activity centres. They didn’t seem to care so much about the BGO decision which I think is awful, because it didn’t affect them - it affected BGO volunteers who were all about to be thrown out anyway, so what voice did they have? So these volunteers made a fuss about the activity centres. Girlguiding said we don’t care, we’re selling them anyway. All the volunteers said oh well, we’ll carry on, we do it for the girls. Which ignores the fact you can run groups for girls without Girlguiding. If you say this in the Facebook groups campaigning for the centres to be saved, you’ll be thrown out of the group and blocked. There’s a Facebook group called save our Girlguiding activity centres or similar. Go on it and say:
”you’ve been treated badly by Girlguiding and they won’t listen to you, so why not run a group for girls outwith Girlguiding?”
or
”what happens to the crowdfunded Foxies future money to buy foxlease if there is no successful bid - you say people will
be refunded but it’s set up as keep what you raise”
or
”I’ve concerns about the trans policy”
or
anything else which you dare to question anything about Girlguiding.
and even this group, which isn’t a closed group for leaders (and those groups are much worse) - you’ll be thrown out and blocked - likely by carol pike who literally has nothing else to do with her time than sit on these groups - so she does it usually within less than a minute of the comment being made.

in the context of this, no one will withhold membership money. Unless there’s a group set up which excludes carol pike and her Girlguiding * s

Thank you and my apologies. I’d not read the quotes

With regard to the Activity Centres, there are very active campaigns to save them.
Have a look at Save our Girlguiding centres on Facebook.
There is lots of work being done.

If you read the scouts trans policy that i linked to above, you will actually see that @Eggybrains is right about scouts as well. Scouts are separated by sex unless they identify as transgender in which case they can use the facilities of the gender that they identify with. So it isn't any different.

See my comments above.

you get thrown out of that Facebook group if you dare to ask questions about anything.

dare to ask what happens to Foxies future money if bid not successful - out.

Dare suggest continuing giving your time, efforts and money to an organisation that treats you like 💩 and has no interest in your views shows a lack of self respect - out.

when I say out - I mean comments deleted, thrown out and blocked from group. It’s happened to me and many friends I know. You can’t seriously expect it to be successful when you behave like this - you’re just like Girlguiding exec.

you won’t be successful anyway - surely you see this?

Eggybrains you don't know me, you are making a lot of assumptions- and resorting to name calling does not further your argument.

Where did I name call you?

This sort of made up 💩is one of the reasons Girlguiding is falling apart. It can’t exist in the real world when those within it insist on leading everything within the organisation based on fiction and nonsense. You’re imagining things

Scouts have the same problem. While they will operate camps etc dividing the sexes for sleeping, showering purposes, as soon as a boy or adult male volunteer declares himself to be a girl/woman they will go into the female facilities and parents won't know - because they have swallowed the TWAW madness.

Scouts are just as bonkers as guides, which given the numbers of paedophile men who have become scout leaders to access children over the years (it's a well known problem) is despicable & very reckless.

Back to the original question- Girlguiding's trans policies.
Brought in by stealth in 2017, without consultation. There are guiders who have worked against this, Helen and Katie most publicly and they were dismissed for their trouble. Others continue.

For the Guiders I know, we continue to do the best we can for the girls in our units. The choice is to walk away, to just let the groups close, and not give girls the opportunities or to stay and do what we can.

If our local guiding groups closed, the 60 or so 7-18 year olds would do what? There is no youth club, the scouting groups haven't enough space, should we just walk away?

There is a common misconception that Scouting segregates by sex, so the "trans issue" isn't a problem however their trans policies let people choose their facilities by gender, not sex, so finding a person of the opposite sex sharing your space is perfectly possible.
Also Monica Scully was (and possibly still is) a Scouter before they were a Guider...

Wow, I didn’t know about any of this!

I was a Guide in about 2002 and always thought it was a bit dodgy - I came from a non religious background and being forced to ‘pledge’ to God in order to join made me very uncomfortable as a young tween who hadn’t quite made her mind up about religion yet.
Even then, I remember thinking ‘What, so girls from other religions can’t join because they have a different belief? WTF?’

I believe they’ve taken that bit out now, but looks like they’re going all out the other way at the risk of excluding anyone.
This would also have made me very uncomfortable, especially at that age.

@averylongtimeago
Back to the original question. So failing to apologise for inappropriately claiming I called you names?

it’s this sort of behaviour that’s leading guiding to its grave

You’re defending them and Monica sulley. yes she may have been a scouter and guider before. That’s not the issue. The issue was that when these issues came to light she should have been removed as unsuitable for roles. Guiding said it was fine.

you can’t expect either organisation to take action about something they know nothing about. Guiding did know.

you can give experiences to young girls outside of Girlguiding. You just need to be brave and take that step. You don’t need them to offer girls fun.

Yep. Scouts are just as bad.

I do not like being told I am as bad as GGHQ. I don’t think making disparaging comments about others on a thread like this helps the issue being discussed.

I care deeply about Girlguiding- I’ve been involved for more years than I care to think about- and yes I have criticized and complained, talked about and taken some direct action (not enough to get me kicked out!). Perhaps you are right and I should have just walked away- but I and others like me choose to stay and fulfill our promise to do our best.

Yer, you get thrown out now if you mention God. I do think you should be given choice, and I totally respect you not wanting to. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6500215/amp/Girl-guide-leader-claims-sacked-letting-children-use-axed-promise-love-God.html

It does somewhat come across as a bit of a cult now

Agree I was uncomplimentary about the group you were promoting.

but do you see I didn’t call you names, like you said I did?

do you see that this group, which whinges about not being listened to by trustees is just as bad as it deletes, throws out and blocks anyone who dares to ask a question or make a point that does sit with what the admin (dear carol pike who I don’t think does anything with her day except sit on these groups, the exclusions happens so quickly)? How can you make any progress if you behave like that?

sometimes your best is to walk away, when you’ve tried as you have. If no one takes a stand a walks away, HQ will continue to do stuff like this because you’re effectively condoning their behaviour by continuing to volunteer for them. This will guarantee to send Girlguiding to the grave, which I think is now almost inevitable and given how they’ve treated people like Katie and Helen and thousands others, with no remorse - I’m going to enjoy watching it.

Scouts are separated by sex unless they identify as transgender in which case they can use the facilities of the gender that they identify with. So it isn't any different

Except you are missing the guidance that says children and parents are to be advised if there is mixed sex sleeping accommodation in advance, and are given the chance to raise any concerns. You're not seeing the whole picture by just quoting the transgender guidance. You are also ignoring the transgender guidance that says it should be ensured that everyone is comfortable with the arrangements.

I think your comment was aimed at mine? But what you have missed is that the scout policy also says:

You mustn't disclose confidential information about a trans young person to other parents and carers, without that young person’s consent.

So you can only have that conversation if the person in question agrees, which they may not do.