Girl Guides trans policy

[KareenaQueena]

Hello, are there any campaigners who want another activist to help reverse the Trans policy allowing any boy or man who identifies as a girl or woman to be part of the supposed girl-only organisation?

Or is there anyone out there wanting to join me? I'm using non-violent direct action to highlight the lunacy of their 'trans' inclusion policy. But I am alone in this, so far.

There must be a high percentage of parents who are not aware that boys and men could be sharing toilets and sleeping quarters with their daughters.

When I asked my Brown Owl about the policy she didn't know anything about it and said boys would never be allowed to use the girls facilities but I pointed out the policy states that exactly what would be allowed. She also wasn't aware of the TIM Guide Commissioner in Nottinghamshire who was found posing with guns and, wearing fetish wear under captions including "boobs do you want to see more?" and "behave or mistress will have to punish you"

I also asked her to find out who guided the policy. she told me Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence.

I contacted Girl Guides HQ to ask the same question and to ask which womens' organisations they asked, They failed to tell me which organisations and didn't respond to my question about womens' rights groups being asked.

Our girls are not confused. Our girls are being gas lit into thinking a girls body might have a penis.

Any advice welcome. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

I’ve seen you say this elsewhere. It’s not my understanding - the change came about due to a legal challenge to enable girls to be admitted to Scouts and was successful.

My understanding is that this bit changed. This was the case when Helen and Katie were kicked out, but I think they changed this subsequently.

It's bonkers

From their policy they say 'trans boys' can join (as they are actual girls) but they might want to consider whether GG is for them.

No idea what they do with 'non-binary'

Apologies if I'm wrong about what I said upthread @Eggybrains re scouts and thanks for update re 'trans boys'.

You are creating a fuss over nothing. Do you have the numbers of how many people this affects?

what do you think happened on overnight stays? Everyone starts comparing anatomy? There is no way that this policy will make people believe that girls have penises. Get off your high horse and put your efforts into something that will make a difference

if you’re a leader and you disagree with them about anything, including this, I understand both you and your children will be removed from the organisation.

This.

There are a number of Leaders on MN who have either been kicked out or have been made uncomfortable enough to leave of their own accord. I am one of them.

GG seem immovable on their stance at the moment. 🤞🏼they'll eventually see sense before there's an incident as it used to be a fab organisation.

Thanks for your helpful input!

Do you have what some might call a 'transgender' child?

It affects all the girls.

No high horse. A concerned parent.

Safe guards should be robust. Any people working with children should not be keeping secrets from their family,

What girls does it affect and how? My life has never been affected by someone who is trans.

Are you able to give examples?

As far as keeping secrets go why do you have to know everything about someone else’s child. Do you need to know that such and such a person is in care or that their mum often drives drunk? Do you need to know medical conditions?

people who work with children have a responsibility to safeguard them and this involves keeping personal information personal. Not announcing it to everyone around.

I don’t have a trans child but would like to think that if any of my family members were trans they were treated with respect and kindness. I would never want to tell a 10 year old that their feelings weren’t valid so they aren’t welcome.

I don’t have a trans child but would like to think that if any of my family members were trans they were treated with respect and kindness. I would never want to tell a 10 year old that their feelings weren’t valid so they aren’t welcome.

People (inevitably women) have all this concern for trans kids - but never have any concern for girls who don’t want to share toilets / changing rooms / sleeping quarters with boys/male-bodied children.

Why?

Because girls don’t matter as much as boys.

by secret keeping i meant secrets between a child and a leader or volunteer and parent.

if its a girl only organisation, it should not allow boys, as they are not girls.

Clue is in the name. It's a biological reality. A girl is not an idea or feeling in a boys head.

All childrens' feelings are valid. But feelings are relevant in who can attend Girl Guides. They just need to be girls.

So some examples and questions for you.

1. do you think it’s appropriate that 13 year olds share a tent, alone, when one has a vagina and one a penis? I’d not want my daughter in this situation. In guides this may well happen, but neither me nor my daughter would be informed
2. are you comfortable with two people with penises sleeping in a room with 4 year old girls with vaginas? Because girl guides say this is a safeguarding risk if they identify as men, but not a safeguarding risk if they self ID as women. How does this make sense? Are you aware that people with penises have assaulted and rapes young girls? People with vaginas have done this too, but with much, much lower incidence. And the fact that they are a woman does not mean they’re only attracted to those with penises - their ID’d gender does not dictate their sexuality

I’m sorry to hear this.

I don’t hope they’ll change because I think there is more f Ed up about this than just their trans policy. I mean I think it’s more concerning how they treat people who ask any legitimate question about safeguarding. I think that’s much more concerning than the trans policy itself, which does probably affect fairly small numbers

I agree with what you say that trans children should be respected and treated with kindness. Their views should be listened to and a trans girl absolutely should be allowed to attend Girlguides (although my person view is nobody should attend girlguides becuase it’s abhorrent).

I don’t think random volunteers should be expected to keep from the child’s parents that they told you they thought they were trans. I don’t think Girlguiding volunteers should be expected to give out condoms. They’re volunteers with inadequate training to be able to be able to spot abuse. I don’t think somebody’s sexuality or trans status should be announced, but I do think the presence of a penis can present safety issues - which Girlguiding seems to recognise as it won’t allow men and women or girls and boys to share sleeping or washing facilities. But they now don’t think it’s the penis that presents the risk, but the self-ID gender. How can self-IDing as a gender present a risk in itself?

Apologies for not quoting-this is in response to @KnickerlessParsons

I am happy for a 4 year old with a penis to sleep in the same room as a 4 year old with a vagina and the scouts have had mixed sleeping arrangements in tents for years it is nothing new.

Girl Guiding doesn’t say it’s a safe guarding risk to share a tent with a man but not someone who identifies as a woman. Girl Guiding says it is an organisation for women and the definition includes people who identify as them.

Also apologies for no quote - this was for @Wolfpa

I actually agree that 4 year olds with differing anatomy is likely fine. But what about an adult with penis and a 4 year old with vagina? I don’t think this is ok.

Girlguiding does say it’s a risk that they will not accept for mixed gender sleeping or washing facilities. They say it’s absolutely not acceptable and will not approve a residential where men/boys share sleeping or washing facilities with women/ girls. This makes no sense.

Adults have to sleep in separate areas to children so there will never be the situation where an adult with a penis or vagina will be sleeping in the same room as anyone under 18.

Captured by gender identity ideology and queer theory

You are clearly misinformed. See below from https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/running-your-unit/events-and-going-away/going-on-residentials/

Again, your also clearly misinformed. Care to reconsider your position, or answer my question about why, according to Girlguiding, it’s a safeguarding risk for a cis-man with a penis to share a room with a load of 4 year olds with vaginas, but not a trans-woman with a penis? There could be two trans women with penises in a room of 4 year old girls with vaginas. Or 13 year olds with vaginas.

given what I saw in Girlguiding with volunteers not actually having police checks (dbs/PVG) done , because they delegate it to people who may or may not think it’s important and may or may not have the skills set - it’s basically anyone who puts their hand up and offers - volunteer women with penises could already be on barred list of offenders.

are you a Girlguiding leader? You talk confidently of knowing their policies which makes me think you are. But typical of Girlguiding volunteers you don’t actually know them which means adults with bad intentions are much more likely to slip through.