Cis

[Fabulosia]

I’m receiving an unpleasant battering on social media regarding the term “ cis women”. Can anyone point me at resources to help me defend my objection to this terminology?

[ATerrorofLeftovers]

the real world

🤣🤣🤣

Fabulous and hilarious use of irony, given you’re advocating doing women down in favour of a group of people who can’t cope with reality or the real world! 👌

[ATerrorofLeftovers]

@ATerrorofLeftovers

the real world

🤣🤣🤣

Fabulous and hilarious use of irony, given you’re advocating doing women down in favour of a group of people who can’t cope with reality or the real world! 👌

That was to you Titerama.

[Happylittlechicken]

if you go into this with the attitude that any and every use of cis is oppressive, offensive, colonialism or pandering to male fantasy

go On then. Give one example where the use of cis is not offensive (reducing women to gender stereotypes) oppressive( using stereotypes to define who is a woman) colonising ( using cis to reduce women to a subset of woman) or pandering to the male fantasy that males can be women if they feel like it (by conforming to the sexist, misogynistic stereotypes of gender that oppress women).

[MandyMotherOfBrian]

@Titerama

@Fabulosia if you go into this with the attitude that any and every use of cis is oppressive, offensive, colonialism or pandering to male fantasy, you can be sure of coming off like an obsessive annoyance.

And unlike in the bubble of mn feminism boards, an unpleasant battering is likely.

I’m not interested in getting into a tussle about it, just a tiny reminder of how the real world works out there.

Did anyone else’s Irony Klaxon just go off?

[tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz]

Woman.

That's all that's needed. Cis is not required

There's actually no clarity required whatsoever.

[tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz]

And actually if a trans person can be offended at wrong pronouns/deadnaming then I can be equally pissed off at being referred to as Cis.

Or maybe this offence things is only one way

[MandyMotherOfBrian]

Definition time: “The prefix ‘cis-‘ comes from the Latin meaning ‘on this side,’ as opposed to ‘trans-‘ which means ‘on the other side of’ or ‘beyond’”

In other words cis is superfluous and trans is beyond - a bit like in those burgers ‘Beyond Meat’, IE very much Not Meat……

[tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz]

@Titerama

@Fabulosia if you go into this with the attitude that any and every use of cis is oppressive, offensive, colonialism or pandering to male fantasy, you can be sure of coming off like an obsessive annoyance.

And unlike in the bubble of mn feminism boards, an unpleasant battering is likely.

I’m not interested in getting into a tussle about it, just a tiny reminder of how the real world works out there.

But how come it's ok to get an online battening for being offended at cis yet it's unacceptable to use incorrect pronouns or deadname?

[ATerrorofLeftovers]

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

And actually if a trans person can be offended at wrong pronouns/deadnaming then I can be equally pissed off at being referred to as Cis.

Or maybe this offence things is only one way

Oh it’s definitely only a one way thing.

If you dare to take offence, you’re a bigot, don’t you know? And are meant to be so frightened of being referred to as such, that you shut down your complaining immediately and just bend over and take it from them on.

[tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz]

Had a feeling that was the case

[literalviolence]

Stonewall define cis as having a gender identity which matches that assigned at birth. So if you don't have a gender identity - many, many women don't - you can't be cis. Calling you cis unless you've declared yourself to be so is misgendering and therefore genocide/ literal violence/ refusing you right to exist (insert hyperbolic term as required).

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

[QuinkWashable]

Cis means that you have a gender identity and it aligns with the gender generally assigned to people of your sex. I would say that was quite rare.

I would use actual women personally.

[Fairislefandango]

I’m not interested in getting into a tussle about it, just a tiny reminder of how the real world works out there.

In the real world out there, pretty much everyone knows what 'woman' means, and most people have never referred to anyone as 'cis' in their lives. I think it's you who are living in a bubble. Identifying as belonging to a gender identity has, relative to human history, only been a thing for the blink of an eye. Most people have no truck with it at all.

[Titerama]

Whatever 🙄

Be offended at it, by all means. But it’s not likely to go away because it’s useful and has gained general acceptance.

[Happylittlechicken]

@Titerama

Whatever 🙄

Be offended at it, by all means. But it’s not likely to go away because it’s useful and has gained general acceptance.

Useful to whom? Gender ideologists? And no, not gained general acceptance. Only used by misogynistic arses and those subsumed by the gender woo bollocks.

[AmuseBish]

because it’s useful

So which meaning is true? Someone who has a gender identity that matches their sex (if you can let me know which genders match female, that'd also be useful), or someone who is not trans? And does the latter include agender people?

How would I go about finding out if I am cis, trans, or neither? What do you take it to mean if someone is 'cis'?

[ATerrorofLeftovers]

@Titerama

Whatever 🙄

Be offended at it, by all means. But it’s not likely to go away because it’s useful and has gained general acceptance.

It hasn’t reached general acceptance though, has it? Maybe within a small bubble that makes a disproportionately shouty noise, but not amongst the general public.

And it’s not useful either, as it’s offensive nonsense that isn’t necessary. I literally never have to use it, ever.

[MargotBamborough]

@Titerama

Lots of feminists are totally fine with cis.

Not everyone, obviously, but it can be a helpful descriptor to use for clarity.

I’d rather it was clear in training or documents or whatever if something was about or for cis women and definitely not about or for trans women.

It’s not like people don’t get confused, right? So accepting a small addition in language to make it explicitly clear seems like a good thing in some situations.

It might be useful if it were used to say something like "this toilet/changing room/prison/hospital ward/rape support group/sporting category is for cis women and any transgender people observed female at birth".

But it's not. It's used exclusively to tell us how privileged we are and how we need to be kind.

[Greenfairydust]

''@Titerama · Today 15:19

Lots of feminists are totally fine with cis.

Not everyone, obviously, but it can be a helpful descriptor to use for clarity. 

I’d rather it was clear in training or documents or whatever if something was about or for cis women and definitely not about or for trans women. 

It’s not like people don’t get confused, right? So accepting a small addition in language to make it explicitly clear seems like a good thing in some situations.''



I am a woman, end of story. Not a ''cis woman''.

It is a meaningless, pointless term as far as I am concerned.

[MargotBamborough]

I'm not cis because cis means you have a gender identity which matches your biological sex. I have no such thing and do not actually believe that such a thing exists.

And I don't need a word to describe myself as "not trans" any more than I need a word to describe myself as "not Chinese".

[Happylittlechicken]

@Titerama the clue that something is not for males with a trans identity is if it uses the word woman. See. Easy. And no extra words needed. HTH.

[MargotBamborough]

@MandyMotherOfBrian

Definition time: “The prefix ‘cis-‘ comes from the Latin meaning ‘on this side,’ as opposed to ‘trans-‘ which means ‘on the other side of’ or ‘beyond’”

In other words cis is superfluous and trans is beyond - a bit like in those burgers ‘Beyond Meat’, IE very much Not Meat……

There is no "this side" and no "other side" of being a woman.

You either are one or you aren't.

[Whoopsmahoot]

This does my nut. I am not a cis woman- I am a woman. Call yourself a cabbage for all I care - that’s your choice but don’t force your ideas onto me. And calling me cis is your idea not mine.

[MandyMotherOfBrian]

@MargotBamborough

There is no "this side" and no "other side" of being a woman.

You either are one or you aren't.

Well, exactly.