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Women not having children as not enough good men

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AdamRyan · 13/02/2023 12:06

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/11/why-a-shortage-of-mr-rights-means-single-mothers-hold-the-key-to-the-falling-birthrate

Interesting article about the falling birthright.

Yet the conclusion isn't "how to encourage men to become more suitable candidates for fatherhood"

It's "support single motherhood".

I'm really interested why the author picked that angle. I'd have thought making men less shit would be a better answer personally!

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greatvisuals · 13/10/2024 21:19

Blessed be the fruit

LoremIpsumCici · 13/10/2024 21:19

Falling birthrate isn’t a problem to be solved, it is the solution to our over population problem.

I hate articles like this because we should be celebrating the birth rate falling.

Hateam · 14/10/2024 06:11

The qualities that can make a man very appealing as a boyfriend won't necessarily make him a great long-term bet as a husband and a father . Men who are exciting, spontaneous and fun to be with don't necessarily do so well with the boring mundane routines of being a parent. So much of being a parent involves picking things up the floor endlessly. Men who were very extrovertent, exciting, spontaneous and fun to be with don't always adapt well to this.

I think many women in the twenties walk straight past decent man and into the arms of good-looking dickheads.

XChrome · 14/10/2024 23:11

Hateam · 14/10/2024 06:11

The qualities that can make a man very appealing as a boyfriend won't necessarily make him a great long-term bet as a husband and a father . Men who are exciting, spontaneous and fun to be with don't necessarily do so well with the boring mundane routines of being a parent. So much of being a parent involves picking things up the floor endlessly. Men who were very extrovertent, exciting, spontaneous and fun to be with don't always adapt well to this.

I think many women in the twenties walk straight past decent man and into the arms of good-looking dickheads.

Edited

I went for an introverted, gentle, respectable seeming man and he turned out to be an utter shit. It was a mask, and a very effective one because he actually believed it was the real him. People would go on and on to me about how great he was and how lucky I was. They had no idea what he was really like either. I don't trust men at all now. They compartmentalize so easily and seamlessly that they fool even themselves.

chaosmaker · 15/10/2024 19:40

AI will replace people anyway. It's what us 'intelligent' monkeys are working towards after all.

SidhuVicious · 24/10/2024 15:57

NumberTheory · 14/02/2023 19:28

It is well-documented now that there is a mismatch between the educational levels of men and women, with a higher proportion of graduates being female. A highly educated professional woman and a blue collar man may genuinely struggle to find sufficient compatibility for a successful long-term partnership in which to raise children. Mutually so. So evening out the proportions of male and female graduates could perhaps be one step forward.

And yet, when hardly any women were graduates couples managed to find compatibility just fine.

I think another often overlooked factor is that trade/building jobs generally pay more than office/professional jobs nowadays, so less male graduates doesn't necessarily mean men are doing worse financially.

SidhuVicious · 24/10/2024 15:59

And boys with mothers who fawn over them and treat them like little princes will probably be lousy husbands and fathers, even if they have fathers.

Now you mention it, I think this is a fair point. How many times have we read posters on here complaining about useless husbands who won't do housework because 'his mum used to do all his washing for him' etc?

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