Rebel Wilson has had her first child via surrogate

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Rebel Wilson (who I love) has announced via IG that she’s had her first baby via surrogate this week. Lovely for her to have a baby.

But the topic of surrogacy rears its ugly head and once again I’m wondering why so many rich and famous women choose to have a surrogate. Rebel has had significant publicity with her weight struggles and is currently in a relationship with a woman (she doesn’t name her as co-parent).

she hasn’t publicly said why she used a surrogate but I feel a bit uncomfortable by this as being a step yet again

What a vile comment, she was working for years to lose weight and prep herself to carry herself, clearly that wasn't possible, stop the bitter and resentful comments on something that has nothing to do with people on MN!

No she blatantly said on that survival program last year that she had frozen her eggs ages ago and was quite flippant about it. I don’t think there was any struggle “ for her other than she wasn’t going to ruin her new body

@marblemad - what is vile is renting another woman's womb to risk her life carrying a pregnancy for you. It's modern day slavery and it's despicable.

Infertility does not entitle anyone to a child. Or the use of another woman's body.

marble I have reported you for troll hunting. That is against talk guidelines.

Who TF is that?

@marblemad This thread is in the feminism section. Mumsnet is infamous for being anti-surrogacy. It seems to me that you are posting on this site without understanding it's ethos. We support women struggling with fertility, but almost no woman on Mumsnet supports surrogacy. Maybe you should learn the ethos of this site, yourself, before posting defending a practice that Mumsnet is INFAMOUS for being against.

"Maybe you should learn the ethos of this site, yourself, before posting defending a practice that Mumsnet is INFAMOUS for being against"

Get a grip. People are allowed to disagree with the "ethos" of the site. It is a public forum and people can't post what they want subject to following posting guidelines.

Why is it when she is making a big fuss about it in the press with baby showers etc?

@Walkden I'm not saying they can't. My point was that poster was mistaken about the "ethos" (their word) of the site while attacking other poster.

I think they should ban the episode of friends where Phoebe carries her brothers triplets for him and his partner as she is unable to carry the baby herself, and the episode where Monica and chandler are adopting a baby from a mother that won't be able to look after the twins once they are born...

I just hope that the baby is well looked after and happy, it is clearly very much wanted and likely to be loved.

I am not a troll @marblemad. Surrogacy is abhorrent. Renting a poorer woman's body and buying her baby from her is no different to buying any other kind of human being. Buying and selling humans is what slave owners did.

Wonder if the surrogate was one of her rich famous friends? I’m betting not though. If surrogacy is such a wonderful thing to do, why are no Celebs lining up to provide babies for their friends who want to ‘rent a womb’. You’d think they’d all be rushing to help poor Rebel have the baby she feels entitled to.

Her lack of work could potentially be connected to something other than an Australian magazine revealing her real age and background

What's this about?

Commercial Surrogacy is illegal in most European countries. It’s just legal in America.

Choosing between surrogacy and prostitution to put food on the table is not exactly free choice of what a woman does with her body.
Not all surrogates have abundant choices to make.

“This thread is in the feminism section. Mumsnet is infamous for being anti-surrogacy. It seems to me that you are posting on this site without understanding it's ethos. We support women struggling with fertility, but almost no woman on Mumsnet supports surrogacy. Maybe you should learn the ethos of this site, yourself, before posting defending a practice that Mumsnet is INFAMOUS for being against.”

MN feminist board is INFAMOUS in PP word for being an absolute echo chamber. It didn’t used to be but sadly it is now. No other opinions allowed and no debate, thought and often utter bollocks written as ‘fact.’ Such a shame that a group of posters have reduced feminism to a no debate hive mind shell. It seem they really have little idea of the history of the movement and the intellectual gains made through constant thought, debate and the ability to change thinking over the time that defines the movement.

There is nothing feminism about renting another woman's uterus @Noname99. Nothing.

It's obscene that the rich are getting to buy the poor and everyone is clapping them on for doing it.

Like cosmetic surgery, this is starting to become something once done by a few, then commonplace, then expected. How soon before any rich career woman is expected to outsource pregnancy and childbirth to some woman from the vassal class? How soon before any rich woman who doesn't want to put on weight can simply dump that issue on a woman with limited options in life? How soon before all the pain and risk and permanent body damage associated with pregnancy and childbirth becomes a feature of the class divide?

If men could give birth people would at least see the class/wealth issue. Because all this is laid upon poor women, it's put down to women's kindness and good nature, or a sense that those women are just born to be breeders anyway.

It's fucking Marie Antoinette levels of obscene entitlement from awful, exploitative rich bastards.

Please can we stop using the word "surrogate" to describe a woman who has given birth and given her baby up? It's so dehumanising. I'm so fed up of seeing news articles use the phrase "welcomed a baby via surrogate" as if it's a new Amazon delivery service. It's dehumanising the woman who carried the baby for 9 months, gave birth and then has to give her baby up.
Please can we say "surrogate mother" at least on MN where we know this is a woman and a mother?

It’s not exactly regulated here though is it when hundreds of couples from the uk are going to pick up babies from the Ukraine as we speak. And it’s on the up because I’ve been shocked how many I’ve come accross in the community this past year. And some actually brought the mothers out of the country I wonder what happens after they give birth here?

About that...

Ireland had a massive scandal about forced adoption.
We had a Thalidomide scandal
We have repeated maternity scandals because authorities fail to stick to what they should do.
NHS negligence claims are hugely over represented by maternity cases and payout represent an even higher percentage.
We know that there is a massive gap in data with regards to women's health generally. Stuff just isn't recorded, so it means loads of stuff just isn't know. This doesn't mean harm isn't happening. It just means science and politics is blind to it.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Then add to that the lobbying and financial power of those who do indulge in buying babies. They are much more able to get their way than it is for grassroots to build up the evidence through costly means to demonstrate that the orthodoxy around surrogacy being ok, is utter rot.

Tbh, if you are spouting shit ideas that 'there can't be a problem because its legal' you really really don't understand human rights abuses and how systems can actively work against women and those financially much harder up. Thats why we have human rights in the first place, though they have one fatal weakness - even if someone's rights have been breached the system is stacked against being able to enforce rights retrospectively and proactively to stop similar happening to others, precisely because of its costly nature to prove.

Scandals often don't break for a generation, and it can take longer to fix because they exist at institutional level. Institutional level failings can and do happen. Far too frequently. And they are associated with abuses of power from wealthy individuals and people in positions of influence. The fact that buying babies is something restricted to a tiny minority of the population who have the means to buy the body of a woman, is in itself a red flag that exploitation is indeed happening.