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Rebel Wilson has had her first child via surrogate

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ShirleyPhallus · 07/11/2022 16:58

Rebel Wilson (who I love) has announced via IG that she’s had her first baby via surrogate this week. Lovely for her to have a baby.

But the topic of surrogacy rears its ugly head and once again I’m wondering why so many rich and famous women choose to have a surrogate. Rebel has had significant publicity with her weight struggles and is currently in a relationship with a woman (she doesn’t name her as co-parent).

she hasn’t publicly said why she used a surrogate but I feel a bit uncomfortable by this as being a step yet again

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35965a · 07/11/2022 18:35

Walkden · 07/11/2022 18:27

"Baby who has been born. Their rights and needs must be considered also,"

So quite a few posters have said it is damaging to the child to be separated from their birth mother so surrogacy should not be allowed.

However, plenty of people on Mumsnet have got pregnant from donor sperm. Is it not damaging to the child in the same way. Again there are plenty of posters or adopted parents who seek out their birth parent ( mother or father). Is this not a double standard?

No

Walkden · 07/11/2022 18:36

"If I can sell my baby why can't I sell my kidney?"

Because in some countries they don't view it as "your baby" presumably.

InsuranceForU18s · 07/11/2022 18:39

I had a thing for Robbie Williams for a long time. 'Til he and his wife hired a womb for 2 of their kids 'cos they were too busy to grow a baby'. Can't bear him now.

Guiltycat · 07/11/2022 18:39

Walkden · 07/11/2022 18:27

"Baby who has been born. Their rights and needs must be considered also,"

So quite a few posters have said it is damaging to the child to be separated from their birth mother so surrogacy should not be allowed.

However, plenty of people on Mumsnet have got pregnant from donor sperm. Is it not damaging to the child in the same way. Again there are plenty of posters or adopted parents who seek out their birth parent ( mother or father). Is this not a double standard?

Jumped the shark there a little didn’t you?

Not sure what your point or opinion is, it’s clear from your strange ramblings that you don’t either, but that’s ok.

However, I’m fairly certain that most people could grasp that a baby’s entire world at birth and for some time after is it’s birth mother, regardless of genetics. And that it is damaging for them to be removed from their birth mother for this exact reason.

If you fancy a read there is extensive literature on the damage done to adopted babies. Not sure why some in society haven’t linked this up to surrogacy yet, though I suspect money and class bias has a lot to do with it.

CrossStichQueen · 07/11/2022 18:41

Because in some countries they don't view it as "your baby" presumably.

As far as I know in countries where surrogacy is legal the mother is always the mother until the right documents are signed.

Georgeskitchen · 07/11/2022 18:41

Surrogacy for altruistic reasons, for example a woman carrying a baby for for sister who can't sustain a pregnancy, is fine imo
Commercial surrogacy, ie: celebrities renting a womb so as not to interrupt their career , ruin their body etc should be outlawed
I believe they call them."gestational carriers"
However , I can see why some women who are struggling, single parent, poverty , would find the high fees to be a surrogate , would find it very tempting, a road out of poverty, so to speak

Routinedriven22 · 07/11/2022 18:44

I saw something on US tv once that she had fertility struggles - tried to freeze her eggs as she hadn’t met the right person but it was too late.

Minimalme · 07/11/2022 18:44

I am still furious that Hilary and Alec Baldwin used a surrogate to conceive a 6th child. Absolutely no justification whatsoever, other than narcissistic greed.

They went on to have a 7th naturally so no conception problems whatsoever.

Also, that surrogate could only possibly have done it for the money. Imagine putting a baby through that unbearable stress for money.

Weefreetiffany · 07/11/2022 18:45

Why is Tan France mansplaining formula feeding?

And how dare he try to make out that it’s women who are privileged for breastfeeding when he can literally afford a designer baby from a rented uterus?

absolute self awareness vacuum. He’s lost a fan here.

oakleaffy · 07/11/2022 18:47

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 07/11/2022 17:16

I can see why some women would feel being pregnant would impact their career well if women can’t cope with 9 months of career inconvenience god help them with the next 18yrs!

THIS!
Pregnancy is the easy bit

But I suppose if wealthy people can't manage, they can buy their way out of childcare by hiring nannies and boarding schools, and then lots of holiday activities.

Walkden · 07/11/2022 18:47

"However, I’m fairly certain that most people could grasp that a baby’s entire world at birth and for some time after is it’s birth mother, regardless of genetics. And that it is damaging for them to be removed from their birth mother for this exact reason."

At the risk of more strange ramblings then, I'd the bond with the birth mother really a long term effect. It's not like the baby is aware of its surrounding particularly or likely to remember much of its few few months, of life. Short of obvious health benefits like breast feeding etc is it really that harmful as long as it has a caring adult to look after them?

How does this damage compare with situations where the mother dies in childbirth?

GrandOleOpryNights · 07/11/2022 18:47

No surprise she’s commissioned a baby and rented a womb. She’s vile and extremely entitled. Horrible woman.

CrossStichQueen · 07/11/2022 18:48

How does this damage compare with situations where the mother dies in childbirth?

And this relates to surrogacy how Walkden?

Abhannmor · 07/11/2022 18:50

' As for living , our servants will do that for us '

From the play Axel by Auguste Villiers de L'isle Adam.

oakleaffy · 07/11/2022 18:53

If you fancy a read there is extensive literature on the damage done to adopted babies. Not sure why some in society haven’t linked this up to surrogacy yet, though I suspect money and class bias has a lot to do with it.

Attachment disorder is very real.
Tearing a baby from it's birth mother {Baby will know her voice for all that time in utero} is not at all a good idea unless the child is at serious risk of harm.

Dreamingof3 · 07/11/2022 18:54

She shared quite a while ago that she had had some bad news regarding her fertility.

I don't see why people have an issue. I'm sure she'll be a lovely parent and definitely has the means the provide for a child. Irrelevant that she's in a relationship with a woman

womanofthemoon · 07/11/2022 18:54

I’m not how I feel about it. I think when it’s family, then it can be quite nice, my aunt can’t conceive and a few family members have offered to be a surrogate if she wanted it. But it seems to be increasingly popular in Hollywood and it’s quite worrying.

Tansytea · 07/11/2022 18:56

Walkden · 07/11/2022 18:29

"Look if are ok with buying babies and renting wombs"

Newsflash. This is legal in the UK and the us so lots of people are apparently ok with it.....

It's a minority small issue, and affects women only. Of course it's not an issue in the UK, that'd be putting women first, not rich people. Because let's be honest, there are costs involved. Meanwhile, it is illegal in many European countries, France, Germany, Italy, Finland, Iceland, Norway, so, just putting this out there, but maybe the UK has this wrong? Do you think those countries are backwards and the UK has the right approach? I don't.

ShirleyPhallus · 07/11/2022 18:57

WhereYouLeftIt · 07/11/2022 17:52

"I’m wondering why so many rich and famous women choose to have a surrogate."
I do wonder if it's the latest status symbol.

If I was feeling kind, I'd consider if they felt unable to take the time out from their career to get pregnant/give birth, fearing that they'd have no career left - once out of the public eye they'd be forgotten and the fickle public would move on to The Next Big Thing, leaving them in the dust. And even if they weren't, their post-partum body might not get them the same roles as they're used to getting.

I'm not feeling kind, because this is exploitation. The don't want to go to all the bother of pregnancy, they just want an instagrammable accessory delivered to their door like any other commodity. And they have the money to make that happen.

I think this is right, and especially if you know how your body will change PP and have the funds for it I suspect it’s “easier” to do it this way

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Tansytea · 07/11/2022 18:58

Dreamingof3 · 07/11/2022 18:54

She shared quite a while ago that she had had some bad news regarding her fertility.

I don't see why people have an issue. I'm sure she'll be a lovely parent and definitely has the means the provide for a child. Irrelevant that she's in a relationship with a woman

You don't see the issue? How to tell me you haven't read the thread without telling me you haven't read the thread. Even if you disagree with the reasons, how can you not see the issue?

ShirleyPhallus · 07/11/2022 18:58

Fattoushi · 07/11/2022 18:11

Is it lovely? Is buying babies lovely? She hasn't had her first child, someone else has. I don't see anything lovely about it.

I think any baby is lovely. The way that she has procured it is not.

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Dreamingof3 · 07/11/2022 18:59

Tansytea · 07/11/2022 18:58

You don't see the issue? How to tell me you haven't read the thread without telling me you haven't read the thread. Even if you disagree with the reasons, how can you not see the issue?

No I don't, or how it's anyone's business to be honest.

Just get on with your lives 😂

ShirleyPhallus · 07/11/2022 19:01

Minimalme · 07/11/2022 18:44

I am still furious that Hilary and Alec Baldwin used a surrogate to conceive a 6th child. Absolutely no justification whatsoever, other than narcissistic greed.

They went on to have a 7th naturally so no conception problems whatsoever.

Also, that surrogate could only possibly have done it for the money. Imagine putting a baby through that unbearable stress for money.

Hilary Baldwin of faked Spanish accent fame?!

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Tansytea · 07/11/2022 19:01

Dreamingof3 · 07/11/2022 18:59

No I don't, or how it's anyone's business to be honest.

Just get on with your lives 😂

Then you just don't care about anything at all, with that argument, do you? Everything goes, because if it's not your business?

CrossStichQueen · 07/11/2022 19:01

No I don't, or how it's anyone's business to be honest

So buying babies is totally OK in your view and nobody else's business?