The Amber Heard / Johnny Depp Case

[TheFeministShrug]

Now, I am not defending Amber here. It sounds like she was abusive towards Johnny, but it also seems that he was abusive too. I think this is one of those rare cases where they're both as bad as each other.

However, as a feminist, I am concerned about the narrative people are pushing with this case. Despite the evidence, Amber seems to be getting a far harder time. There's also lots of "See! Women are just as abusive as men!" rhetoric swimming around.

Men who admit to abuse aren't treated half as bad as Amber is being right now. It's like the people watching want her to be as abusive as possible.

[Crumbler]

@Innocenta

@Crumbler I wonder why you want to downplay the problem of femicide? Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with the scale and impact of this crime:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/30/world/femicide-explainer-as-equals-intl-cmd/index.html

Note that the lack of strong global data means no one ultimately knows how many women are being murdered. But per the link, "the problem is probably bigger" than the data we do have.

I was talking about the UK rate, not the worldwide ride. Do you disagree with my numbers?

[Legrandsophie]

I see that the evidence in court today proves that Heard perjured herself under oath in the U.K case and has not donated her entire $7 million divorce settlement to charity.

Infact, she has only paid $350,000 to the ACLU and had Elon Musk donate a further $500,000 in her name. Not sure how she thought this wasn’t going to come out.

[Pinkyxx]

Some DV is one-sided and some is mutual. Some is perpetrated by men towards women, and to a lesser extent (statistically) women towards me. In other words anyone can be a perpetrator of DV. With that said, the majority of DV is perpetrated against women and I feel this trial is really not helping women's cause. It seems to me they both acted abusively to each other so it feels hypocritical at best of Amber Heard to present herself as an ambassador for women's causes fighting for women's rights in the context of DV when her own behavior is to all intents also abusive. To do so invites the accusation that men are being held to different standards than women are, in other words it's OK for a woman to be abusive but it's outrageous for a man to be.. which completely undermines the efforts being made to fight against DV. It also presents a disingenuous narrative: that she was the victim, he was the perpetrator with no reference to any nuance such as mutual abuse. It presents him in a negative light and invites sympathy towards her.

From the evidence today, it's also clear that Op-ed she published was referring to Jonny Depp despite her claims it didn't. The only reason it didn't is because her lawyers stripped such references out. This seems to be one in a long time of mis-representations on her part.

[gitbag]

The charity money thing surprised me tbh.

[Sux2buthen]

@27glitteryTomcats

Defamation happens a lot. Defamation cases are extremely expensive so majority of the time people get away with it

JD has the money to pursue a case and good for him. He wants the truth out and his name cleared. I’d do the same if I was him

Yes I agree.

As time goes on she's not doing too well

[bigknickersbigknockers]

Amber Heard has destroyed Johnny Depp's reputation and her own along the way. I hope she gets what's coming to her.

[27glitteryTomcats]

@bigknickersbigknockers

Amber Heard has destroyed Johnny Depp's reputation and her own along the way. I hope she gets what's coming to her.

I think at first, yes, this was the case.

as more comes to light though his image and career seems like it could be rapidly restored.

he seems very sure of himself and I think that confidence comes from knowing the truth. Clearly he has had his issues with addiction in the past but that aside if we focus purely on this case he seems to be very much the victim and from what I’ve read he was often waking away/ leaving the room / leaving the property and she sounds relentless in her pursuit of confrontation.

I’ll ask it prior to this case I was aware of them both obviously and more so JD but I’ve been very interested in reading more and more and watching and I can honestly see in him desperation for the truth to out and I really hope he is successful

[27glitteryTomcats]

*admit (not ask)

[27glitteryTomcats]

Having been personally on the receiving end of someone highly toxic who would chase and chase the arguments relentlessly I can sympathise massively.
setting up of situations to break someone down and when they lose their temper on goes the recording and on goes their ‘victim mode’

it’s really hard to deal with and I’m glad someone high profile with the cash to address this type of situation is doing so . I think he’s brave

[allyjay]

Can't get over the misogyny towards Heard and the dick pandering towards Depp on here, the feminist board. I can only assume that Depp's bots and fangirls/boys have spammed the thread because strangely, I don't recognise most of the usernames as regulars on here. Hmmm strange that

[allyjay]

Yep as I thought after AS, quite a few only appeared to register for this thread 😀

[Suzi888]

Both of them are pretty grim aren’t they? Hands up who would want to be a cleaner in their house- both are vile, more money than sense and he needs a wash.

Who the hell goes around recording someone all the time, I think she orchestrated most of this. She’s hit her sister-caught discussing on camera, threatened to hit her dog on video, her demeanour changes in court, she shit in a bed, lied about make up used to cover bruises, lied about Depp ruining her career (lol) use that term loosely. She ruined his Pirates franchise.
It’s a circus, both of their careers are probably over after this. I feel very sorry for that baby she’s had.

[50ShadesOfCatholic]

@allyjay

Can't get over the misogyny towards Heard and the dick pandering towards Depp on here, the feminist board. I can only assume that Depp's bots and fangirls/boys have spammed the thread because strangely, I don't recognise most of the usernames as regulars on here. Hmmm strange that

Yup, exactly that

[theRealBlueSmartie]

@50ShadesOfCatholic

Yup, exactly that

It’s the go to on here isn’t it to try to discredit anyone with an opposing view .

so Depp supporters must be bots or fans ……

Anyone for example who mildly expressed small amount of concern about covid vaccines was shouted down as an anti vaxxer …etc etc (there are other examples but could be triggering so I won’t go down that route)

[JustAnotherPoster00]

Can't get over the misogyny towards Heard and the dick pandering towards Depp on here, the feminist board.

So I should ignore her IPV abuse and her own admittance of that because vagina? No nuance just didnt do it because we have the same genitals

[deydododatdodontdeydo]

@theRealBlueSmartie

It’s the go to on here isn’t it to try to discredit anyone with an opposing view .

so Depp supporters must be bots or fans ……

Anyone for example who mildly expressed small amount of concern about covid vaccines was shouted down as an anti vaxxer …etc etc (there are other examples but could be triggering so I won’t go down that route)

Yep - take that attitude back to twitter, where everyone who disagrees with you must be a bot, fake or discredited because of the number of followers they have.

[User135644]

@allyjay

Can't get over the misogyny towards Heard and the dick pandering towards Depp on here, the feminist board. I can only assume that Depp's bots and fangirls/boys have spammed the thread because strangely, I don't recognise most of the usernames as regulars on here. Hmmm strange that

She's absolutely vile. Sticking up for women no matter what isn't feminism.

[90sBritPop]

@User135644

She's absolutely vile. Sticking up for women no matter what isn't feminism.

Agree!!!!

[Legrandsophie]

@User135644

She's absolutely vile. Sticking up for women no matter what isn't feminism.

Absolutely this. Numerous witnesses have seen her hit him, she is trying to make him cough up another 3.5 million to replace the money she kept from her divorce settlement (that she had promised to a children’s hospital), stole a rape victim’s trauma to use as her own and is on tape degrading and abusing him.

The people sticking up for her are not helping feminism. Being a woman doesn’t automatically make you right and if it does then what you are describing is political tribalism.

And I’ve been a Mumsnet member for years. In fact, I’ve posted on here throughout all the TRA wars and before. So do jog on with your accusations of being a paid bit.

[SoManyQuestionsHere]

Literally just, having somehow failed to spot this one, started a thread on this one while watching live stream. I am sorry and I shall do better re. double posting!

I also, having just seen this, RTFT in its entirety quite yet.

But ... what about the "she is a monster, he is a victim" is not deeply, deeply misogynistic?

Best case scenario: they both suck!

Worst case scenario: biases we KNOW apply in general apply here too - in which case: how BAD does it have to get for ""vaginal injury", "penetrated with a bottle", and "doctor X was very concerned about her safety" to be making an appearance, VERBATIM!, and she is STILL the monster?

[Pinkyxx]

Having heard the testimony today, if Depp did indeed do the things claimed then he is abusive. If she did the things he claims then she is equally abusive. Mutually abusive, in other words both victim and perpetrator. I can believe that with 2 addicts this can easily happen, both freely admit to using alcohol, cocaine, mushrooms etc... They both appear complicit is some drug fueled descent into mutual destruction.

This court case is doing absolutely nothing for survivors of domestic violence and sexual abuse.

[50ShadesOfCatholic]

It is weird, isn’t it, how invested so many people are in the lives of two very messed up people with a hell of a lot of money than sense.

To think what all that money (spent on proceedings) could do for a cause like assisting refugees.
There is no ego like that of a washed up Hollywood star.

[Legrandsophie]

I would be less invested if she hadn’t used the vital work of #metoo to aid her career and make a name for herself.

There seems to be no bar too low for her to cross. For me this is not about defending Johnny Depp (who obviously has drink and drug issues and I don’t doubt they had physical fights) and more about my utter disgust that people are holding her up as some kind of sainted victim when her behaviour has been utterly shocking.

[Legrandsophie]

And I’m not a massive fan of how she is presenting using another woman’s body as an incubator as a feminist act.

[AdriftAbroad1]

@Legrandsophie

And I’m not a massive fan of how she is presenting using another woman’s body as an incubator as a feminist act.

I agree, good point.