One night out in Liverpool, this is what I witnessed men do!

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Five women on a weekend away in Liverpool, age range from 30's to early 50's. We went to the pubs, and I just despair at some men's behavior.

I watched a man buy some Jagerbombs off a girl who had her hands full with a tray of them. He grabbed her head and snogged her, and wouldn't let her go. She told him no and got away from him, I checked on her and told her to get him chucked out and she said 'I'm used to it' but thanks for checking on me, why the hell should she accept that when she's working.

One woman was dancing with a man, she was clearly drunk but seemed OK. He was all over her, grabbing her bottom, pushing his dick into her, then he grabbed her breast and pulled it out of her top. She was absolutely horrified and walked off.

A man kept approaching us and putting his arms around us, telling us to smile. We politely ignored him, then his mate came over, pulled his pants down and tried to twerk his bare arse on us. WTAF is wrong with them!

Everytime we go out as a group we see this shit happen, and I just despair at this still happening 😕

@Marmelace

I didn't defend him. I literally said the opposite; I said his behaviour is unacceptable and he should be criticised for his behaviour, not his appearance.

[quote greasyshoes]@Marmelace

I didn't defend him. I literally said the opposite; I said his behaviour is unacceptable and he should be criticised for his behaviour, not his appearance.[/quote]
I was talking about dolphinfc not you x

FFS.

You shouldn't have gone there.

If you go somewhere like that what do you expect?

You need to pick your venues a bit better (and leave all the stupid women who go there to be assaulted instead of you )

You shouldn't describe the person who assaulted you.

Not all men do this

Not all men ignore all the men who do do this

Don't call men out on this type of behaviour because it upsets the men who don't behave like this.

Honestly, this is the FEMINISM board - it's bad enough all the excuses and NAMALTing all over the rest of Mumsnet, but surely here there should be universal calling out of misogynistic behaviour.

Honestly, this is the FEMINISM board - it's bad enough all the excuses and NAMALTing all over the rest of Mumsnet, but surely here there should be universal calling out of misogynistic behaviour.

Quite.

@TurquoiseBaubles

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Campfirewood
Please don't feel the need to keep explaining yourself. You can describe a man who assaults and harasses you in any way you see fit, and most women will understand there's an extra layer of audacity in an old, unattractive man approaching a young woman.
The point of harassment and sexual assault is that it is attention and contact that is unwanted. I think there are a fair few men who really dislike the fact that women get to choose who they are attracted to and whose attentions they're comfortable about receiving. They pull out the old chestnut about "if it had been Chris Hemsworth, you wouldn't be playing the victim and talking about harassment, would you?" (Well, actually, I think most women wouldn't want Chris Hemsworth coming and grabbing/groping them with no preamble, or refusing to go away if rejected, but yes, a lot of us would be more receptive to his advances than some old git's.)
Some men seem to women should have an equal opportunities vetting system, and not be allowed to discriminate based on age, hairlessness, etc.

I despair reading this. As a mum of 2 boys I'm trying my hardest to raise good humans, and this behaviour is accepted as the norm, even by women.

Fucking hell, op shouldn't have to avoid places because some men don't know how to behave

And yeah there is another layer of entitlement when you get fat , bald men old enough to be your father all over you . You'd think they'd know better than to behave like that for a start.

Im out in Liverpool all the time and have never seen or witnessed anything like this but I'd never go to Matthew St at the weekend because it's where all the stag and hen parties from the rest of the UK and Ireland swarm to. Locals tend to avoid for this reason. Stag parties seem to be a nightmare wherever they go which is why places like krakow and prague have banned large groups of them. Im glad in a way they're confined to this part of the city as they're easily avoided. There are lots of other areas in Liverpool to 'dance and have a laugh' where you won't encounter this OP.

This is what happens when you force sexual kinks into mainstream society.

This is what forced speech & 'inclusion' enables in men.

Before, there were more social pressures to make them behave a little in public, but now we are encouraging men to act as they want while womens rights are being destroyed you get to see how some of them have always wanted to act but didn't feel able to before.

The more you are stopped from defining women as something completely other than men, the more single sex spaces you take away so there is nowhere to go to get away from this the more this behaviour will spread.

This is what 'be kind' means to men.

Like Germaine Greer said....
"Women have very little idea of how much men hate them"

Some men seem to women should have an equal opportunities vetting system, and not be allowed to discriminate based on age, hairlessness, etc.

There is an entire book (that grew out of an essay) on how we need to problematise the nature of our desire and understand our biases in who we find desirable. Srinivasan's The Right to Sex has a number of MN threads.

www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1526612534/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

I honestly despair at NAMALT especially on the feminist board. Of course NAMALT but a vast vast majority are. I don't think many women appreciate this. Even if they don't outwardly display this behaviour their views and lack of action cement it. Its a tiny minority that don't. Trust me I work and specialise in this area and I see it day in day out.

@Rewritethestars1

I honestly despair at NAMALT especially on the feminist board. Of course NAMALT but a vast vast majority are. I don't think many women appreciate this. Even if they don't outwardly display this behaviour their views and lack of action cement it. Its a tiny minority that don't. Trust me I work and specialise in this area and I see it day in day out.

All men are men. And should not be defended on the feminism board in any way. Go somewhere else to do that. (And my OH is lovely but he's still a man and nobodycan swear namalt)

They do it because they can, because the standards of society has fallen so low that nobody enforces good behavior.
They have been getting away with it all their lives because nobody has disciplined them, not at home, not at school and not in the pub

And should not be defended on the feminism board in any way. Go somewhere else to do that. (And my OH is lovely but he's still a man and nobodycan swear namalt)

I'm unfamiliar with whatever the male version of this board would be but I strongly doubt that the men there police eachother and insist on the declaration of NAWALT or centring women rather than their own perspective.

Oh, I forgot one.

I've never seen this/it's never happened to me

The lengths people, even women, will go to defend the behaviour of so many men is disappointing.

@TurquoiseBaubles

FFS.

You shouldn't have gone there.

If you go somewhere like that what do you expect?

You need to pick your venues a bit better (and leave all the stupid women who go there to be assaulted instead of you )

You shouldn't describe the person who assaulted you.

Not all men do this

Not all men ignore all the men who do do this

Don't call men out on this type of behaviour because it upsets the men who don't behave like this.

Honestly, this is the FEMINISM board - it's bad enough all the excuses and NAMALTing all over the rest of Mumsnet, but surely here there should be universal calling out of misogynistic behaviour.

This, with bells on.

The second a man attacks a woman they lose any right to be described in a politically correct way. If a man sexually harasses a woman then all PCness goes out of the window. Men have had years to learn to adjust their behaviour but have actively chosen not to. All the PP has done is factually describe her perpetrator using the terms bald and fat.

The NAMALT on this thread is depressing.

Men's behaviour has to be fixed at the root, meaning from the inside out. No amount of us women screaming from the outside is going to change a thing.

I'm going out to clubs this coming weekend. Haven't been clubbing for years. I dread to think what it will be like after reading this thread. Luckily I'm no wallflower. I remember the days where you were a slut for sleeping around, but also for turning a man down. We can't win until MEN CHANGE.

Crystalvas

LaBellina
A few arseholes? A few too many I would say. If men shouldn’t be stereotyped like that then they better stop confirming the stereotype.
Not all men are like that. There are actually men who condone that type of behaviour. Negativity against all men is’t helpful. After all some of us on here would’t be in relatioships with them otherwise.

^^ as others wrote here @Crystalvas this is the feminism board. Sod off with your NAMALT.