More Met police "jokes"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60215575

The police watchdog says it has found evidence of "disgraceful" bullying, misogyny, discrimination and sexual harassment in some ranks of the Met.

This isn't a glitch in the system, it's is the system. I'm baffled how some senior officers are still in their jobs

Absolutely disgusting

Police culture is racist, misogynistic and homophobic. Women, minorities and gay people have been saying it for years only to be told "it's only a few bad apples". Well they've spoilt the whole barrel. Police culture is rotten!

There is a thread here where a police officer is providing an eye opening and terrifying insight into what a "good cop" thinks. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4462560-Met-apologise-for-sexist-derogatory-language-when-searching-woman?pg=2

It's awful, I was just reading that and came looking for this thread.
I don't think there is any place for decency in the police, those who have any and the courage to keep it don't fit.
The word banter needs banning too, does anyone, anywhere actually use it to describe what it is supposed to be? The mutual jokey back and forth between all parties involved in a conversation. There is no such thing as bantering at someone or about someone if it isn't mutual then it's bullying not banter.

Institutionalised problems of all kinds could be solved by ensuring a whistleblower has more to lose than to gain by remaining silent.

When someone knows something is wrong, he or she could be held complicit by failing to report it. Presumably via a whistleblower's hotline, on the model of Crimestoppers. It could quickly make the world a better place, because nobody would dare not to cover his or her own back by reporting what could later be held against them as a joint offence.

No matter if it is dangerous practice in hospital, abuse in a care home, malpractice or fraud or waste, or any abuse of any power, there would be a restraint. Male surgeons could not carry on killing, or molesting their female colleagues, safe in knowing anyone who 'tells tales' would lose his or her career (or have to flee the country like one anaesthetist in a famous case)

In that example, or any of the church, political or police scandals, and others, it frequently turns out that everyone including the cleaner's cat knew,* but everyone who attempted to tell, through internal reporting, was sacked or threatened

Supposed existing whistleblower protection doesn't work. Internal methods certainly don't. In a group of people, such as an operating theatre staff, or the police station, the first to report will be safest, after registering the incident at Whistleblower-hotline, and could carry on among the offenders knowing s/he would never find themselves in court, jointly liable by tacit complicity of silence.

Nobody would know who it was. Others, also uneasy, would get themselves protection by also reporting. Soon, a collection of individual reports would show the problem.

*The Truth Commission found that every one of the different religious groups they investigated (20?) had problems with power abuse and one example was known to a cleaner for years, because only the cleaner was around the premises when a child would obediently arrive for 'instruction' ordered by the abuser.

[quote TooBigForMyBoots]There is a thread here where a police officer is providing an eye opening and terrifying insight into what a "good cop" thinks. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4462560-Met-apologise-for-sexist-derogatory-language-when-searching-woman?pg=2[/quote]
Hold on a minute......

Its me who TooBigForMyBoots is referring to here

And all the way through that thread i have consistently said ".....The language used and the comments made were wrong and if the process which i described on page 6/7 for searching was stepped outside of and she was assaulted for no reason other than to effect the search - then it was wrong.

Are you really suggesting that I would endorse this....?

Are you really suggesting that I think the same way or i am like that...?

Reading more about this and I feel sick. I’ve lost complete faith in the police. As a PP said, police culture is rotten.

The Centre for Women’s Justice are taking legal action calling for a full public inquiry - dig deep if you can help

Absolutely appalled at the further “jokes” revealed in this investigation. There is clearly a deep level of hatred toward women held by some male officers.

Why is Dame Cressida Dick still in her position?

Ms Dick should have resigned a long time ago

She is clearly failing in her leadership. The Met is toxic through and through. Nothing has changed under her eye, time for her to go. I believe she has friends in high places though. Quelle surprise.

I don't understand why Cressida Dick is surprised. A police force represents the society from which it is drawn, and these are the views and attitudes of the 'average' London male.

Police vetting is not good, little professional background screening and too much reliance on an application form.

butnobodytoldme

You raise a good point about whistle-blowing and that it should be encouraged rather than discouraged.

We have an 'anonymous' email system to do such things when we see/hear things that are wrong. I have used it and it works.

But prejudices and unconscious basis happen all over the place - even our support agencies have said comments in my presence which I have pulled them up over.

Nurses/doctors calling patients we have taken to hospital 'drunken idiots' or 'we can leave him in the waiting room as he is just a drunk' is not right and I have called it out. They are vulnerable members of our society and should be treat with respect for whatever condition they are suffering.

Members of the public do it all the time to other members of the public. Some of their comments and accusations are wrong.

And the police recruit from members of the public

Now, we should be professional at all times - but no matter what vetting process you have, you will always have ones which will slip through the net.

And i will reiterate what I said before - The language used and the comments made were wrong and need to be stopped and the people involved in them rooted out. I don't want to work for a company who employs people like that. My focus at work is with my victims and always will be.

It's not just a Met thing. Rotherham happened because of misogyny in the force. It's rife and frightening that police officers can't even see it.

I was wondering why it always starts with the Met, what I mean is, will this prompt a review of all forces?

Recruitment vetting really needs an overhaul

I don't know how vetting would weed these people out unless they had posted these views publicly. The much more effective solution would be to genuinely have zero tolerance towards this behaviour, and not Foster an environment where some evidently think its okay.

Absolutely sickening to read, although not surprising! The Met needs to seriously work on it’s vetting process, there must be some way of weeding out the sexist, homophobic, racist arseholes. Yes police-men; to a certain extent, are representive of society but why are we settling for this instead of insuring that people who are being put in a position of power over the rest of us don’t have internal hatred towards certain marginalised groups! I think there is also an element of a specific type being attracted to the police force due to the power it gives them. Which if this is the case would be massively skewing things so that the sexist, racist homophobes are over-represented in the police force. There needs to be stricter vetting to insure they are never put in a position to abuse that power. The fact that only 2 of these people were sacked, there is just no excuse for. Things like this need to be an immediate sackable offence. Of course there are good men in the police force but some serious over-hauling needs to be done to encourage the good ones to speak out the second they see this kind of behaviour.

I agree Lampshading but surely it needs to be a combination of both, stricter vetting and also zero tolerance when an incident does occur. Obviously some people do an excellent job of hiding their biases but someone who is openly texting female colleagues telling them he wants to rape them doesn’t seem like a person who is bothered about hiding house views. I wouldn’t be surprised if this particular person had expressed their views publicly, whether that be on social media, or in previous jobs etc.

*his views not house views