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More Met police "jokes"

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SapatSea · 01/02/2022 12:35

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10463671/Met-Police-forced-apologise-officers-joked-raping.html

Once again appalling behaviour from "our protectors." Recruitment vetting really needs an overhaul and the Met cleared out.

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Felix125 · 04/02/2022 13:43

@SerendipityJane

Applications for the police are open to the public. [] At no point in the application process does it say that they will only recruit from people who's.... "thing" in life is to put a uniform on and bully the rest of us with the powers they are given.....

I really think you need to understand the concept of "self selecting".

Let's try another way.

People choose to be police officers. They aren't dragooned into it. No one makes them.

So the pool of recruits is already limited to people who want to be police officers.

And some of them will want to be police officers for all the wrong reasons. Who will not be easily spotted by the existing police officers who wanted to be police officers for all the wrong reasons.

So stop trying to blame "the public" for the fact that the police force as a whole is unable and possibly unwilling to weed out people who really, really, really, really should not be allowed in.

If this discussion wasn't taking place in the wake of any number of people murdered, raped, assaulted, harrasessed, or falsely accused by the police such distinctions would be less critical.

I agree

And we do 'weed them out' - there are loads who get finished/sacked due to various things they do wrong whilst in the police.

Its down to what percentage of these people who join the police for the wrong reasons is?

There are literally thousands of serving police officers up and down the country. What percentage would you say are corrupt?

Would it be about 3-4% say or higher?

Felix125 · 04/02/2022 13:48

@FlibbertyGiblets

Sigh. Felix this isn't about you personally. That there is a culture of racism and misogyny in the police force does not mean that we think you are a racist misogynist.

The recent almost daily avalanche of revelations about disgusting behaviours by cops has alarmed and frightened a lot of women. It's not about you. HTH.

I know

I was answering a post by BornInAThunderstorm

I can understand that it is alarming & frightening to a lot of women and people in general.

I am interested to know how we can go about fixing it though - as I don't want to work for an organisation which is like this. I would also suggest that the vast majority of officers are the same as me.

SerendipityJane · 04/02/2022 13:54

There are literally thousands of serving police officers up and down the country. What percentage would you say are corrupt?

Enough to mean the police cannot be trusted.

ElectraBlue · 04/02/2022 14:00

The Met needs to be disbanded and Dick sacked. The rot starts at the top. This police force has lost all credibility and trust.

The police in general needs to take a good look at their recruitment and training procedures. Not to mention the fact that anyone making these statements should have been immediately reported and sacked.

Felix125 · 04/02/2022 17:23

@SerendipityJane

There are literally thousands of serving police officers up and down the country. What percentage would you say are corrupt?

Enough to mean the police cannot be trusted.

so what are we saying here - 51%
SerendipityJane · 04/02/2022 17:34

so what are we saying here - 51%

With the greatest of respect, you aren't really getting it.

When it comes to corruption in the police force, then the only acceptable number is 0%. And if we can't achieve that, then we need to have faith in the mitigating control that any officer that falls short of the standard expected is out.

It seems to me that not only are you content with a non-zero number of dodgy officers. You are trying to convince us we should be content too.

Of course it may be that we - as the public - have got things wrong about the police. Maybe we just don't "get it" and are being totally unreasonable ? Maybe honest coppers simply aren't a thing anymore ?

Pop quiz. Who said :

“The Police are the Public; the Public are the Police. The Police are paid to give full time attention to duties that are incumbent upon every citizen in the interest of community welfare and existence.”

Felix125 · 04/02/2022 17:59

I agree with you

I would like 0% at all times and will personally strive to achieve that

What I am asking - is that a realistic figure to achieve?
We can aim for it sure, but is it achievable in practice?

And if not - how can we try and get it as close to 0% as possible

butnobodytoldme · 04/02/2022 18:02

Someone will link to Guardian picture of mock serious incident boards erected by womens equality party. Such a shame they are one of the multiple political wings of SW. Holding one's nose and voting Tory is going to be more difficult than ever post partygate, but also the Dick appointment and all manner of similar stuff is in the open.

SerendipityJane · 04/02/2022 18:03

@Felix125

I agree with you

I would like 0% at all times and will personally strive to achieve that

What I am asking - is that a realistic figure to achieve?
We can aim for it sure, but is it achievable in practice?

And if not - how can we try and get it as close to 0% as possible

Well by not carrying on doing what we've been doing for the past 100 years for a start. That clearly doesn't work.
Felix125 · 04/02/2022 19:50

Granted

But can you make some suggestions to move the discussion forward

What works & what doesn't work for example

DingleyDel · 04/02/2022 19:58

@felix125 it’s not about individuals. No recruitment process will weed out 100% of ‘bad people’. When bad people show themselves clearly and they are promoted then you have an issue. The fact that within one station there were enough people with such abhorrent views that they thought joking about DV whilst working with victims of DV every day of their careers shows that the police do have a recruitment problem. The only acceptable course of action upon discovery of these messages would be sacking for the lot of them. That didn’t happen. This is where the system is to blame and completely fails. Corruption and bad behaviour only festers when it’s not called out/ dealt with. And when it goes right through an organisation at every level, you have systematic corruption. The police force is one of these organisations. It’s needs dismantling completely. This culture allowed the likes of Wayne Couzens to sail through his life and work with absolutely no comeuppance despite him very clearly showing he was bad through and through. Reading those messages I can see why the force didn’t think reports of flashing were remotely concerning.

Isthatthebestyoucando · 04/02/2022 20:05

There are literally thousands of serving police officers up and down the country. What percentage would you say are corrupt?

Would it be about 3-4% say or higher?

Much much higher. If 3-4% of people I worked with were cunts then I wouldn't feel safe to act like a cunt around them. These scummy power hungry people are not worried who witnesses their behaviour.

eldorado02 · 04/02/2022 20:18

This is why the disciplinary process needs to be taken out of house and away from the force. At the moment, if an officer attends a misconduct hearing, who decides their fate? A panel that includes officers from the same force. And as a PP has pointed out, police officers close ranks and protect their own time and time again, so the outcome for the officer is rarely a sanction above a written warning. The Charing Cross case proves this: only two officers were dismissed out of the 14 investigated. That’s utterly disgraceful, and the decision all rests on the shoulders of the misconduct panel.

Isthatthebestyoucando · 04/02/2022 20:36

@eldorado02

This is why the disciplinary process needs to be taken out of house and away from the force. At the moment, if an officer attends a misconduct hearing, who decides their fate? A panel that includes officers from the same force. And as a PP has pointed out, police officers close ranks and protect their own time and time again, so the outcome for the officer is rarely a sanction above a written warning. The Charing Cross case proves this: only two officers were dismissed out of the 14 investigated. That’s utterly disgraceful, and the decision all rests on the shoulders of the misconduct panel.
Exactly why a five year employment contract would make fuck all difference. In the end it's still the police policing the police, if they don't get rid of scum, then why would they choose to not re employ scum.
Charley50 · 04/02/2022 21:07

@MintJulia

I don't understand why Cressida Dick is surprised. A police force represents the society from which it is drawn, and these are the views and attitudes of the 'average' London male.

Police vetting is not good, little professional background screening and too much reliance on an application form.

I work in education. It would be completely unacceptable for colleagues and I to be engaging in misogynistic, racist, homophobic, violent chat on our WhatsApp groups. It doesn't happen because as a multicultural teaching community we pride ourselves on being an educated, non-ignorant, tolerant (i would say inclusive but that word has too many negative connotations for me right now), bunch of people who can maintain professional standards and have some integrity about the way we talk to, and about, people. It would just be unacceptable to talk like that. It's engrained in education culture to be respectful of others. I get that policing is a different type of stressful, but I don't understand how this rape culture / sexism /racism thing is seem of as so acceptable.
KarenTheGammonRemoaner · 04/02/2022 21:27

@SapatSea

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10463671/Met-Police-forced-apologise-officers-joked-raping.html

Once again appalling behaviour from "our protectors." Recruitment vetting really needs an overhaul and the Met cleared out.

Stop being confused by this and stop being confused by high up p43dophiles get let off. Only p43dophiles let p43dophiles off. The people at the very top are not good people. How bad they are is up to you to find out.
Isthatthebestyoucando · 04/02/2022 21:34

I get that policing is a different type of stressful, but I don't understand how this rape culture / sexism /racism thing is seem of as so acceptable.

I don't know if you can read this article www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-told-to-denounce-misogynist-colleagues-8mn30j0ff but the comments at the bottom were quite disgusting, mostly male police officers put out about the idea of culture shift, blaming the stress of the job for their need to be misogynistic cunts. I would say to anyone who claims their job is the reason they can show abuse towards others that they must be in the wrong job.

IncompleteSenten · 04/02/2022 21:35

Doesn't surprise me one bit
A disproportionate number of abusive men are attracted to roles where they have power and authority.

Toomanyradishes · 04/02/2022 23:52

*But can you make some suggestions to move the discussion forward

What works & what doesn't work for example*

Men expecting women to fix a male problem, as usual...

SerendipityJane · 05/02/2022 08:54

@Felix125

Granted

But can you make some suggestions to move the discussion forward

What works & what doesn't work for example

You and I both know that's merely SOP to shut me up. I have to go away for a few years to work on it, and when I come back with anything ...

"The time isn't right"
"Things have changed since then"
"We found a different way"
"Who are you ?"

That's before we discuss the delicate fact that you invited me to do some unpaid work for you. Which sounds about the level our police force view women at the moment. Unpaid skivvies ? That's about right.

I have travelled quite a lot in my too-long life. To places that used to be like the UK and which aren't now. And believe you me - those places are shit for the population, and even more shit for the police. Who inevitably end up despised, feared, and in some cases actively targeted. And unless things change - and pretty damn fast - that's where the UK is headed.

SwissBall · 05/02/2022 11:13

So much in that article but this stood out -

Soon another Met officer, David Carrick, will go to trial, charged with 23 sexual assaults including 13 rapes, with potential for even more reputational damage.

I remember his name but I didn’t know it was that number of charges.

SwissBall · 05/02/2022 11:17

The charges are:

Thirteen counts of rape;
Five counts of sexual assault;
Three counts of assault by penetration;
Three counts of coercive and controlling behaviour;
Two counts of false imprisonment;
One count of attempted rape;
One count of attempted sexual assault by penetration;
One count of causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent.

Felix125 · 05/02/2022 19:06

@Toomanyradishes

*But can you make some suggestions to move the discussion forward

What works & what doesn't work for example*

Men expecting women to fix a male problem, as usual...

Not at all - anyone can post or make suggestions
Felix125 · 05/02/2022 19:10

SerendipityJane
I'm not trying to 'shut you up' - that's why i am asking on a discussion forum. And i'm not asking you to do any unpaid work.

If you don't want to make any suggestions - or can't - then that's fine.