Feminism: chat
The defence of womens rights is not terrorism
stillamum22 · 22/01/2022 14:40
Great piece of work by Fair Cop and Womens Rights Network authored by Sarah Phillimore. The sight of women like Marion Millar and so many others being arrested, and threatened for stating their concerns is scary and chilling, so this is really useful. Straightforward template for writing to your MP to raise the issue - they'll even send it for you!
I'll be popping something into the inbox of my local MS and Police Commissioner as well to draw their attention to this - keep them on their toes
www.womensrights.network/truth-is-not-terrorism?fbclid=IwAR2VZhmc7L-39I5xGfb3t_41KNTShAM_RFxzWrEkAe4NcwWhn-dX0HCl24Q
MatureMam · 22/01/2022 17:00
Yes, I think this is very important. There have been stories over the last few days of women who raised concerns with Girlguiding being visited by the police too. Women must be able to freely express our concerns without fear of being reported as radical, hateful and bigoted. I will be sending this report to my SM and MP.
Thelnebriati · 23/01/2022 13:57
I would like MP's to answer what will be the outcome of a case where the defendant is found guilty but the charge is unlawful? I would email my MP but they haven't ever answered a single one of my emails, whatever the subject. I think I'm on a block list.
This is the link without the Facebook addition;
www.womensrights.network/truth-is-not-terrorism
4. We have gathered at the Appendix to this report, commentary from social media and elsewhere to demonstrate that those in positions of influence have, over the past few years at least, adopted this conflation between legitimate protected political speech and the agitation of extremist groups. We assert this has already had a serious negative impact on the operation of the rule of law in UK society, as evidenced by three appellate courts in 12 months being required to overturn unlawful initial decisions.
www.faircop.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Transphobia-As-A-Security-Concern.pdf
MarshmallowSwede · 23/01/2022 14:13
There was a thread yesterday that posted this article. I urge every GC woman to read it.
newdiscourses.com/2020/12/psychopathy-origins-totalitarianism/
It’s a bit long but it talks about psychopathy and the rise of Totalitarianism. It speaks about how ideaologies can take hold and how those critical of these ideologies are targeted and treated as those who have committed crimes. It also touches on how language has been used a tool to create crimes of “wrong speech” and “wrong think”.
If you look at it in the context of the TRA movement then it is an exact blueprint of tactics used to Souang engineer and make anyone who dares oppose this and is GC is seen as a criminal. While we are actually those that recognize biological reality and facts.
Have a read and I hope that GC women worldwide can continue to gather the knowledge and tools to combat this.
It is not a crime to defend the rights of women. It is not a crime to defend single sex spaces and it is not a crime to defend single sex sports teams for women and girls.
We need to be aware of these tactics because there is a lot of money being thrown at advancing the trans movement and if we do not continue to speak up then many of us will be arrested, have livelihoods taken away, and we will witness in our lifetime the end of single sex spaces and the end of women’s and girls sports. I’m not even going to touch on the risks of consequences we are seeing of women and children being attacked in “gender neutral” toilets and the loopholes being used by predatory men tk gain access to women only spaces.
The fact that women are being questioned by police should send a chill down your spine! And if you are not afraid of what’s to come or concerned with what could happen that is worse, then your head is buried in the sand.
Felix125 · 25/01/2022 15:02
Its not a crime to defend any cause.
It depends what the person is doing to defend it though.
This is often the part which drops into an allegation of a criminal act by another person. That other person then becomes a victim and on balance of probabilities a crime is recorded and will need to be investigated. This will include obtaining an account from the alleged perpetrator.
MatureMam · 25/01/2022 15:42
With the news of Jenni Swayne's arrest by Gwent Police in Newport on Sunday, this report by WRN and Fair Cop suddenly seems absolutely timely and crucial. Every woman concerned about defending their sex-based rights should be emailing this report to their MP.
Kimilybob · 22/02/2022 23:02
Its doing precisely what they accuse the tra's of doing, that is twisting facts to fit a chosen ideology so they can use wordplay to agrue their cause. Its shady to me.
Provide me with evidence of wpmens rights being affected and ill support. Until then i cant help but see it as a witchhunt and understand the reasons others are ignoring this crusade.
sanluca · 23/02/2022 11:37
@Kimilybob
Wait, I don't get it. You agree on much what is being said about trans issues, but you don't see how your rights are affected?
Basic human rights are safety, dignity and respect. To provide these basic human rights, facilities where someone's sex matters, are segregated by sex. Think communal changing room in a leisure center or gym for example. To keep women safe and provide them dignity by not having to get naked with random men, these changing rooms should be segregated by sex.
If male people use them, because of their gender feelings, because they want to, because they want to look at naked women, because they want to harm women, doesn't really matter why, these facilities become mixed sex, thereby stripping women of their basic human rights.
Another one is sports. Sports are segregated not only to give women a chance, but safety reasons as well. Let male people, for whatever reason, play on teams meant for women, women are denied their basic human rights.
And don't get me started on prisons was that is against the Genevan convention.
Dutch1e · 23/02/2022 13:10
@Kimilybob
And @wingscrow....
You're both confusing transphobia with safeguarding. Trans people are, in the main, just wanting to live their lives like everybody else. Trans-rights activism is misogyny and homophobia.
Here's a collection of news reports about predators self-identifying their way into previously protected spaces. It's important to understand that, when convicted, they'll be in women's prisons, often sharing cells with victims of abuse.
It's pretty harrowing reading, just to give you fair warning. Let me know if you need more sources on just how badly women's rights have already been burned.
theysaythisneverhappens.tumblr.com/
SamphiretheStickerist · 23/02/2022 14:27
@Kimilybob
OK. I shall repeat myself. Anyone who recognises my username can scroll on passed.
@Kimilybob how do you feel about refuges and rape crisis centres having their funding refused specifically because they are single sex organisations? We have existed for decades. We were set up in a front room back in the 80s. Self funded, secret, self supporting. We grew because there was, still is, a measurable need for women and their kids to escape from abusive men.
Two maybe 3 years ago I started to get questions back when I wrote an updated bid for funding (actually it was pre-Covid, so longer than I thought). We are not, it seems, diverse enough.
We take ANY woman. We take ANY woman and her kids, male and female if they are reliant upon her. We take ANY woman. ALL women. We don't care about her ethnicity, religion, dis/ability, educational level, working status, personal opinions. We just care that she is female and the victim of abuse.
I now have 2 major funding streams who have stopped our funding because we are not diverse enough - one even specifically stated that we needed to provide services for men.
This despite the law they rely upon to make that statement wholly supports us being single sex. - the EA2010 uses centres such as ours as a prime example in their guidance notes.
But no. We have been refused. Repeatedly.
To regain that funding (which we REALLY need) we would have to accept men into our services. We have effectively lost the right to be single sex. To meet the criteria we would need to spend an inordinate amount of money on facilties, safeguarding procedures, new staff, building modifications, etc etc. That cost would outstrip the funding we have lost.
So we have retrenched. We now support fewer women as we again rely on smaller fundning streams. That is fewer women and kids being safely housed and supported after experienced domestic abuse.
Now, tell me again that we, the women we support, have lost nothing, That our rights have not been in any way diminished.
wingscrow · 23/02/2022 14:59
@Ereshkigalangcleg
well, as they say, right back at you...
You don't speak for all women either.
I am a feminist and everything I do is about championing equality and fairness.
The constant attacks against transgender people,
who frankly just want to get on with their lives, and the suggestion that most transgender women are simply men waiting to pounce on women is abhorrent to me.
So no, you are not speaking for me or defending any rights of mine (because I don't consider that the transgender community has taken away any of my rights or pose any threat to me).
SamphiretheStickerist · 23/02/2022 15:13
[quote wingscrow]@Ereshkigalangcleg
well, as they say, right back at you...
You don't speak for all women either.
I am a feminist and everything I do is about championing equality and fairness.
The constant attacks against transgender people,
who frankly just want to get on with their lives, and the suggestion that most transgender women are simply men waiting to pounce on women is abhorrent to me.
So no, you are not speaking for me or defending any rights of mine (because I don't consider that the transgender community has taken away any of my rights or pose any threat to me).[/quote]
But you have missed a fundamental truth about the majority of posts and posters here.For most of us EVERY comment is about the actions of Trans Rights Activists, not transpeople as individuals. There is a huge difference - not least that many of them are not themselves trans.
And you have also chosen to dismiss the explanations given, here and in many other threads across FWR and MN as a whole, about the dismantlying of rights, safeguarding for women and children.
YOU may not have experienced any conflict or loss of rights, but very many women here have.
Don't dismiss them so lightly.
SamphiretheStickerist · 23/02/2022 15:20
Sorry @wingscrow I just want to discuss your post in more detail. Partly because, like many others posting here I felt much the same way until just a few years ago!
I am a feminist and everything I do is about championing equality and fairness.
Do you not see any conflict in male bodied people accessing all sorts of spaces, activities that are single sex, female?
Like prisons
Like refuges
Like crisis therapy sessions
Like sports
Like jobs
Like enclosed places of any kind - hospital wards, public washrooms, etc etc
It isn't transwomen that are the threat to women. It is males. ALL males are a possoble threat. That is why we have single sex spaces, why sex is a protected characteristic.
Nobody thinks all men are dangerous, violent, rapists. But safeguarding allows us to restrict their access to some spaces because of the danger that some of them will pose.
And all transwomen are male!
Or do you simply espouse the theory that everyone has the same rights to access absolutely everything and that's it - that right of access is itself fair, equitable and the Devil take the hindmost?
Kimilybob · 23/02/2022 17:39
Its strange that many have much to say about equality and diversity but on further examination really only play the game of division and exclusivity. You cant claim to want equality and to diversify AND to remain single sex only.
Its a logical contradiction and imo one of the big pitfalls of modern feminism.
Kimilybob · 23/02/2022 17:44
@Ereshkigalangcleg
Yes, feminism is the rights movement for women and girls. Not anyone else.
This is what i mean by contradiction
If you only want rights for women that is called exclusivity.
Women and men have equal rights in law so to want to go beyond that isnt fighting for equality.
Kimilybob · 23/02/2022 19:40
@Ereshkigalangcleg
I don't. I'm merely clarifying what feminism is, as the self proclaimed feminist didn't seem that sure.
I think thats the issue with feminism these days....theres no agreement on what its about and its meaning will differ depending on who you speak with.
I would consider myself a feminist...although i would distance myself from many of those who would consider themselves modern feminists.
Many go too far and are far too self absorbed to see the detriment it will end up causing the collective community. Most women (and men) are reasonable however and woukd like to progress as 1 group.
Witheringtong · 23/02/2022 22:48
The problem is you have twisted 'focusing on the rights women need' as 'only wanting rights for women'.
Women have had to campaign for specific services that are only needed by women because of our biology. Women had to do that, because it doesn't occur to men that those needs exist.
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