10 year old afghani girl sold to an elderly man

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To “help around the house” he said.

That poor girl. And the other girls that have been sold or are in the process of being sold

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@ScrollingLeaves

“Pascal80 Some poor families sell their little daughters for slavery marriage and then their sons into Bacha Bhazi - a form of forced prostitution of young boys who dress up as women and dance for large groups of older men. It also goes on in parts of Pakistan.“

I thought homosexuality was against their laws. Do you know anything about how the rapists are not condemned for homosexuality Pascal80? Or is the fact the little boys are in girls’ clothes enough?

That's an excellent question. This has gone on for centuries. Homosexuality is against their laws, but it seems to be accepted as long as it is little boys and not men - ''boy love''. This occurs in North Africa and many Arab countries as well. Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan is particularly awful The boys are bought from their families at aged 5 or 6 (the pretty ones) and trained to dance and sexually abused for years for years. At the end of the dance nights, the men select one to have sex with. Drugs, gifts and beatings are used to coerce the boys and if they try to run away they are threatened that their family will be killed. Soldiers and police officers abuse infant boys - ''Chi boys'' and often have one to themselves. You see the little boys hanging around in the streets waiting for their abuser. It's the worst culture on the planet - and fuck cultural relativism.

There are many, many Youtube videos of Bacha Bazi - many uploaded by Afghans themselves. There are many free documentaries there as well including ''The dancing boys of Afghanistan''. I won't post links because some people will be extremely upset by them and I don't wish to offend.

The more people post, the more Afghanistan sounds like a horrible backwards country

Children are completely at risk, families are at risk and no one is safe.

"Horrible and backward" or extremely poor and struggling with 200 years of foreign destabilisation? You know there's not much that happens there that didnt happen here not all that long ago.

And you know what? If everybody in the world who expressed shock and horror at the abominations poverty leads to gave up their holidays and car upgrades and maybe that extra bedroom or bigger garden, we could do a huge amount to improve the lives of women and girls like this one.But we dont, so what does that say about us? (I'm as guilty as the next hypocrite when it comes to this btw).

@Soubriquet

The more people post, the more Afghanistan sounds like a horrible backwards country

Children are completely at risk, families are at risk and no one is safe.

Yes, it is Medieval. The horrific recreational cruelty to animals also is bred into children from infancy as well. I've been there. It is a sadistic tribal culture, corrupt and at perpetual war. No-one is safe, and it isn't about money. It has massive mineral reserves. The culture, illiteracy and tribal warlord power structure are behind it. Men hold every other living thing as chattel.

Girls are a burden and women pray for a boy. If they have too many daughters, they resort to ''Bacha Posh'' - forcing a daughter to dress, speak, look, act and grow up as a boy and go out and earn money. Then at 18, forcing them back to being a woman so they can be married off.

And you know what? If everybody in the world who expressed shock and horror at the abominations poverty leads to gave up their holidays and car upgrades and maybe that extra bedroom or bigger garden, we could do a huge amount to improve the lives of women and girls like this one.But we dont, so what does that say about us? (I'm as guilty as the next hypocrite when it comes to this btw).

Are you sure about this? Because the last time billions were thrown at Afghanistan most of the money ended up stolen and invested in the Middle East property market. Oh and also in gold furniture and gold tea cups.

I was talking about the eradication of poverty in general (seeing as the selling of little girls into marriage happens all over the place,) rather than Afghanistan in particular but yeah, there are lots of tried and tested ways of relieving poverty (and lots of completely useless ways as well). But no, chucking money into corrupt governments that you are trying to prop up, hopeless wars and military contractors arent at all effective.

Western conceptualizations of homo vs heterosexuality aren't as ubiquitous or obvious as a lot of people in the west assume. In fact it's somewhat historically unusual to see them as a binary around sex, or as an innate sexual identity, in the way we do.

In many cultures masculinity is associated with playing a particular sexual role, so it's playing the passive role that's seen as unmanly. If you play the passive role as an adult male you are a sort of not-man, though some cultures allow boys to take the passive role in their youth without it affecting their later adult manliness.

Pascal80

ScrollingLeaves
“Pascal80
Some poor families sell their little daughters for slavery marriage and then their sons into Bacha Bhazi - a form of forced prostitution of young boys who dress up as women and dance for large groups of older men. It also goes on in parts of Pakistan.“

“I thought homosexuality was against their laws. Do you know anything about how the rapists are not condemned for homosexuality Pascal80? Or is the fact the little boys are in girls’ clothes enough?”

Pascal80 answered:
“That's an excellent question. This has gone on for centuries. Homosexuality is against their laws, but it seems to be accepted as long as it is little boys and not men - ''boy love''. This occurs in North Africa and many Arab countries as well. Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan is particularly awful The boys are bought from their families at aged 5 or 6 (the pretty ones) and trained to dance and sexually abused for years for years. At the end of the dance nights, the men select one to have sex with. Drugs, gifts and beatings are used to coerce the boys and if they try to run away they are threatened that their family will be killed. Soldiers and police officers abuse infant boys - ''Chi boys'' and often have one to themselves. You see the little boys hanging around in the streets waiting for their abuser. It's the worst culture on the planet - and fuck cultural relativism.

There are many, many Youtube videos of Bacha Bazi - many uploaded by Afghans themselves. There are many free documentaries there as well including ''The dancing boys of Afghanistan''. I won't post links because some people will be extremely upset by them and I don't wish to offend.“

@Pascal80 Thank you for your answer. It is extremely upsetting and actually disorientating. These grown men must think of themselves as perfectly normal and worthy of respect with not the smallest sense of their own depravity or they couldn’t do it. Humans are fully capable as a species of utmost foulness while being under an illusion that they are worthwhile - not just in general but even when fully involved in calmly causing hurt and harm.

In this case it’s not even as though they are in a pent up state running amok. This is habitual, organised destruction of children for lust.

We can see this is abhorrent with Afghan war lords and police openly doing this. How disgusting to think we ourselves now have child harm sanctioned through the internet and so-called ‘sex working’ coerced, poor or trafficked girls (and some boys).

Fuck, it's depressing..... At the same time makes me raging.

Id happily give a large donation to stop that happening, does anyone know of any organisations who can facilitate this?

I wish. I'd also give if I knew it would reach the right place. Fact is, it would just end up with the Taliban.

@Iflyaway

Id happily give a large donation to stop that happening, does anyone know of any organisations who can facilitate this?

I wish. I'd also give if I knew it would reach the right place. Fact is, it would just end up with the Taliban.

Absolutely, which the snarky PP doesn't seem to understand.

We could all pompously Google the name of a charity, but the reality is that very little, if any of the funds will go to those in need.

@Ameanstreakamilewide there might be very little we can do to prevent child marriage in Afghanistan right now but it happens in many other countries where charities can and do make a difference. So unless it is only girls in Afghanistan you want to help there are plenty of other places to send your money.

I think I would rather kill my child or allow her to starve to death along with me than to sell her.

This all makes me feel so sad and so sick.

Not sure I trust the story that the father/family was starving. It's more probably a debt of some kind.

This 100%.
Don’t get me started on the “we need to house our own “brigade.
Saw some absolute scum comments on FB today about housing refugees.

@EverybodyScream

I would starve to death before I sold my daughter to a life of slavery and rape.

That might indeed be the situation of the girls family. On the edge of starving.

The West has stopped paying attention.

If a father of a family was killed, then the family can find themselves in terrible circumstances. Situations can be tragic and horrible.

Debt is unlslamic, so if it is a debt issue then it's more likely to be the talibs taking rough justice

Bacha bazi were forbidden by the Taliban - about the only thing they did that is praiseworthy

Sadly this happens in developing countries. I am from Singapore but only 3 generations ago, my grandfather and his sister were sold as babies to a wealthy family, hence he has no idea who his real parents are. But their adopted mother had no children of her own and viewed them as her own children which is a very different situation from these poor Afghan girls. Still there were probably other children at that time who were not as lucky. This was under British colonial rule in the 1930s and selling children was presumably illegal.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

It is nothing whatsoever like your life.

You know nothing about my life.

Advanced search is a thing, you know. I don’t think many Afghans in dire poverty own 130 bog rolls or file a tax return.

I would find a way to kill my children as painlessly as possible than allow them to be raped for the rest of lives

I would then kill myself.

@Indoctro tbh if my great grandparents had done that rather than sell their baby son and daughter, I wouldn't be born..though their children were going to be adopted by a childless second wife of a wealthy man, not as child brides so a different story (though both are decisions forced by poverty).

@Indoctro

I would find a way to kill my children as painlessly as possible than allow them to be raped for the rest of lives

I would then kill myself.

Yep, me too.

My experience of being in some pretty scary situations is that none of us know who we would be until it happens. I've seen moral, upstanding pillars of the community crumble and abandon people. I've seen teenage offenders step up and be incredible. One probably saved my life. Dodgy little TWOCer that he was.

It's reassuring to our sense of self to say "I would definitely..." and since it will hopefully never be tested, you can sleep easy. But if Mao's China, Nazi Germany and many psychological experiments have taught us anything, it's that we're a lot less black and white when we're scared, starving, threatened and living in a dictatorship. The vast majority of people don't kill their children and themselves, or join the resistance, or hide people. They blankly follow authority.

Well I've met quite a few women who had forced marriages and whilst not all were happy with their lot (and I'm sure some were far more unhappy than they were comfortable sharing with me) I didnt know any who thought death was preferable to their lives. Most people - even people in desperate circumstances- want to live. Where there is life there is hope, if not for you than at least for your children or your children's children. So, although of course I cant be absolutely sure, I dont think I be choosing death for me and mine.

Ozanj, can you post a link to WAW please. I couldn’t find it online. Thanks.