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Clear link between misogyny and violence

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TheEvilPea · 29/10/2021 09:45

I am filled with rage reading this article. The figures equate to one violent sexual crime for every two male students! And that's just those they admitted to. But it's good that what is so obvious - that misogynistic beliefs lead to violence against women - has been shown again to be a clear pattern. So misogynism has to be stamped out now.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/29/research-reveals-rapes-and-assaults-admitted-to-by-male-uk-students

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2021 11:20

No surprise and I think that's broadly in line with previous research in America.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 29/10/2021 11:56

You'd think misogyny must be stamped out would be the obvious conclusion, but I doubt anything will be done sadly. The prevailing attitude appears to be 'it's too common therefore would need too many resources therefore we can't do anything, sorry ladeeeez' Angry

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TheEvilPea · 29/10/2021 17:44

It makes me boil with rage. A male relative said recently that he agrees absolutely with me on this but it's "just the way the world is". Other forms of discrimination aren't tolerated because they are common. AngrySad

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NiceGerbil · 29/10/2021 23:40

Trying to get to grips with the actual study linked in the guardian but v long and got bogged down.

I was really interested in the questions. It's known that asking have you raped gets lower yes rate than have you done xyz (word rape not used).

Anyone clever able to help with what they actually did, asked, how got the group to ask etc etc?

They say that uni men are way more likely to sexually attack etc than general men. Not sure about that. Hence trying to dig into it

KayKayWat · 30/10/2021 11:40

The figures equate to one violent sexual crime for every two male students!

But that's an odd way to put it because it makes it sound like every other male student committed a crime when it was about 10% of them. Still too many though.

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TheEvilPea · 30/10/2021 19:28

I know it's not one in two committing it. But if it averages out that for every two male students there is one sexual offence then the scale is huge. With a 50/50 university population it also means that on average, 50% of female university students are likely to be victims of sexual abuse. Sad

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TheEvilPea · 30/10/2021 19:31

And don't forget these are just the ones that were prepared to admit it!

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Namenic · 30/10/2021 19:37

I get that it’s difficult to prove many assaults, but why would they knowingly let a sexually aggressive person back on campus?

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TheEvilPea · 30/10/2021 22:43

I think that needs to be challenged: these men know that the burden of proof for these crimes is so high it'll rarely be possible to meet even though they are guilty, so they do it with impugnity: you can see it in the faces of the rare ones that are prosecuted how shocked they are that that has happened. Hmm

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NiceGerbil · 30/10/2021 23:00

I tried to get through the study like I said but not laid out easily etc.

I'm really dubious tbh.

Not least because so many blokes said yep sexually offending all over the place. What were the questions? Etc etc.

And why? The results sound headline but if the methodology is iffy in any way it will be ripped apart and filed in the feminist man hating propaganda file.

There have been enough serious items in the news surely that it's well known there's a problem. And the main priority is for the universities to fucking pull their fingers out. Get the police involved if victim says yes. Proper action etc etc. Rather than months of internal investigation. No action/ little action. Even if decided yep this was terrible. Kick blokes out. A few weeks should be enough....

Anyone who can understand the actual study would be really good to understand what/ how/ who etc.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 31/10/2021 07:45

I haven't looked at this study but I do know that previous ones have been done where they worded the questions to not use the language of 'rape' 'assault' etc while still asking essentially that same thing and found that men would answer yes to eg 'have you carried on when you knew she didn't want it' while they'd say no to eg 'have you raped her' (disclaimer - these are not questions quoted - it is my paraphrasing from my less than perfect memory).

I do know from personal experience that some men are capable of this cognitive dissonance, and will either reframe stuff in their heads or genuinely not understand what they've done. My ex still believes he never raped me despite having done so numerous times. In his mind women say no as some sort of coquetry deliberately for men to overcome, or because they are unable to express their desire through being 'uptight' and 'she'll like it in the end' etc.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/10/2021 10:32

The research questionnaire for participants is linked here https://osf.io/2w9uc/

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 31/10/2021 11:46

Wow, those questions are pretty unequivocal and not at all like what I had read about before. The results are even more shocking - those answering clearly knew exactly what they were doing and did it anyway. SadAngry

NiceGerbil · 31/10/2021 13:58

Thank you!

They could have changed the word 'butt' that was grating!

In surprised at the direct nature and at the ordering of the survey.

Looking at results again.

NiceGerbil · 31/10/2021 14:03

I'm still feeling iffy. Over 10% saying yes to such blunt questions.

How did they know the respondents were answering honestly?

How did they pick them?

Sorry I just like to be sure. I mean not asking anyone to look I'm just s bit. Hmm.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 31/10/2021 15:06

There's no way of ever knowing that someone is answering a survey honestly. I'm a bit confused as to why you'd think people would lie though?

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 31/10/2021 15:06

If anything I'd expect them to lie and make things less bad than they were

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 31/10/2021 15:07

Ie. Minimise their own actions

NiceGerbil · 31/10/2021 20:57

I can imagine it going both ways. Just fucking about.

Yes there's a big issue. I just iffy on this study. Is all.

MsAmerica · 31/10/2021 23:52

I understand your anger, but it seems to me that one could just as easily say that xenophobia leads to violence, or any number of other things.

NiceGerbil · 01/11/2021 00:33

One could just as easily say that of course. If the topic was about racist thugs or something.

I'm sure there will have been research into attitudes on racism xenophobia, in fact lots.

This topic is women and girls and coercion consent and sex acts though.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 01/11/2021 01:02

Quite nicegerbil, what an utterly ludicrous comment.
A survey asking about sexual violence and attitudes towards women has nothing to do with xenophobia and everything to do with misogyny. Hmm

Chocaholic9 · 01/11/2021 02:54

This reminds me of the survey that they did on college students in South Dakota, US. 1 in 3 men admitted they would force a woman to have sex with them if they knew they could get away with it and there would be no consequences.

I always knew many men could not be trusted, but didn't have hard proof until then.

KayKayWat · 01/11/2021 19:52

What's interesting is that it seems that educated boys are the worst offenders. And certainly successful men make up a lot of the most prolific sex offenders (the Savilles, Weinsteins, etc). However, this could also partly be because of the influence and power they have which makes it easier to fulfil these fantasies.