Lipstick

[Palmyra]

In general; do women wear lipstick for men's gratification?

Red lipstick highlights the lips and 'resembles' the labia of sexually aroused women. So it makes us appear more sexually desirable

That really is patent nonsense if you stopped to think about it for a nanosecond.

I used to wear it all the time as I thought it made me look good. Mainly women would comment on it and say how fabulous I looked with red lipstick etc. Men would make crude jokes about where I could leave a lipstick mark which I would generally shrug off, but leave me feeling a bit icky. However, it wasn’t often enough or annoying enough to stop me wearing it.

When I met DP I stopped wearing it regularly because I like kissing him and didn’t want him to end up with it all over his face. He also doesn’t like the feel of it even if I wear clear lip balm and kiss him, so I don’t really wear any lip products when I see him. I do wear it sometimes for meeting friends or business meetings etc.

So I wear lipstick despite men’s feeling about it, not for them.

Any man who thinks a mouth looks like a fanny is probably not a good bet for a good shag tbh

And thinking about it. Why the insistence on these really crude 'explanations' when it comes to women.

Lipstick
Well. Could it be that accentuating the mouth has to do with sensual/ sexy things like
Licking
Sucking
Nibbling/ biting
Whispering sweet nothings as it were
Oral sex

No! It looks like a cunt.

Breasts.
Could them being the way they are (unlike gorillas or elephants!!!) be to do with
Some bio reason that we don't know yet like well loads of stuff to do with our reproductive stuff. Store fat so can feed babies even if food gets low? Something to do with being upright and feeding? I mean fuck knows. No one does!
Maybe because being able to feed an infant is a sign of sexual maturity and so our breasts are in themselves, part of a whole body that has reproductive potential?

No wrong again!
We stand upright. Obviously men as primates only understand on all fours bottom bum vagina as a sexually attractive thing. (!!?? I'm not sure other primates would agree with that either tbh!).
Anyway so look. Big blue bottoms. Bottoms bottoms bottoms. See bottom rush in Bob's your uncle.
Humans stand upright. Men are confused. How the hell are they supposed to even start with reproducing without the simple standard of an array of blue bottoms? I mean faces are irrelevant as indeed is... Anything else at all.
It's ok ladies. Your boobs look like that so men think of arse. And don't get confused.

If boobs are arse though. What about arse???!

Whether or not individual women think they are doing it for men (or other women) or not, is not really the point.

Why not? Why are women's voices deemed unimportant? Who should we listen to if we want to know why women wear lipstick?

The bigger question is about why women do this and not men? Why adult females and not little girls?

It dropped out of men's fashion. Little girls do wear it, so do little boys if my 2 are anything to go by.

I find the lipstick makes lips look like labia unlikely as well.

Mimics youth and health, sure. And I'd even say, flushing including the lips happens during arousal and it may mimic that as well.

I can't see any real reason to think it needs to go farther than that, humans respond to signs of arousal visible in the face just fine, they don't need to imagine the face is genitalia.

We are forgetting that many men do NOT like lipstick. Certain men do. Let’s not forget what a ‘made up’ woman represents: success, capitalism, glamour, luxury, indulgence. To some men a lipstick bearing women on one’s arm is the ultimate status symbol along with a fast car.

In my experience, and because I’ve never mix with these types of men generally, I have found men hate lipstick and much prefer women not to wear it at all. It’s been the women in my life who have been evangelists of it in a bid no doubt to look more voluptuous and fertile. If lipsticks main role in life was to appeal to a man’s primal instinct by visually emulating a labia, then they should prefer lips covered in a full beard which is more of a true representation of what a woman’s bits actually look like.

Perhaps that's the explanation for men's beards, in this scenario?

I really like how my lips look with lipstick on them.

They are cupids bow and I wear deep plums and fuschia.
If men like the look of my lips thats incidental to me.

@LobsterNapkin

I find the lipstick makes lips look like labia unlikely as well.

Mimics youth and health, sure. And I'd even say, flushing including the lips happens during arousal and it may mimic that as well.

I can't see any real reason to think it needs to go farther than that, humans respond to signs of arousal visible in the face just fine, they don't need to imagine the face is genitalia.

If a man puts lipstick on then his mouth looks like a fanny and other men will be hypnotised?

I mean a mouth is a mouth.

I mean it's silly.

I have never met a man who had any opinion on lipstick when it came to women they fancied went out with etc.

Lipstick = high status woman. Not on a 90yo woman I assume?

That's about a package/ look.

Plenty of grungy women wore lipstick when I was young. With massive boots army coat etc..!

I'm also surprised that it's often the people who you'd expect to be against gender norms who get annoyed when men wear female clothing/makeup etc - e.g. drag queens.

That is not what they are doing, though, is it? They are literally dressing up as women. Calling each other 'bitch', etc. They wear garments to compressed their male reproductive genitals and insert fake boobies, padding etc.

If they were genuinely being gender non conforming, they'd put the garments on, (without prosthetics of the opposite sex), call each other 'prck' or 'ballg' etc. if they have to do expletives. Funnily enough, I don't think them disparaging their maleness. Only their 'woman' costume presentations. Punks, new age, Bowie, the etc did the real gender non comforting. Georgian men didn't pretend it made them women when they put on frock coats, wigs, high heels and make up.

It is complete punch down and they very much other as 'b*tch' the female persona.

It reminds me a little of the 'sinterklass' dress up of Zwarte Piets in the Netherlands (don't attack me Dutchies). The Dutchies don't have Zwarte Piets uttering any equivalents of 'b*tch' like the drag 'Queens' disparage during their dress up as women. However, there is jiggling around, an afro wig, ott face paint with big red lips.

The attempt of an element of ott or grotesque in their representation of the other is present in both. Women by men in one version, and black people by white people in the other.

That is just my own personal view of it.