15 yo boy convicted of sting of stabbings and sexual assaults on random school girls

[NiceGerbil]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/boy-guilty-attacks-school-girls-croydon-b1830649.html

Saw this on local news.

Local. So afaik not more widely reported.

15yo. All girls as victims. Stabbings. Sexual assaults.

I mean that's obviously related to hating and wanting to hurt female adolescents.

The reporting on this stuff never or very very rarely says anything about

What he said his motivation was. If he said.

Any commentary at all about the fact it was all girls attacked by a boy.

Any other group targeted in this way it would be flagged. Noted. Drawn attention to.

With crimes that are blatently about male people targeting female people it's unsaid.

I suspect it's because it's so obvious and common it's not worth mentioning.

And because there is no recognition in law of hatred of female people as a large motivator of massive amounts of crime.

Women and girls being subject to sex offences, violence, murder etc is just a background noise really. Some cases get attention widely and there's handwringing but nothing changes.

This sort of thing to me lays bare the appalling misogyny that is common in our society if you scratch the surface.

Horrible. When will violence against women and girls start mattering? When will is become unacceptable?

Don't forget the element of racism. Where they were black girls, the media cares even less.

How do you know they weren't black girls?

I haven't seen that info.

Yes racism is a huge issue and for women it multiplies.

I do think this conviction is worth talking about on its own terms though.

When it comes to misogyny no women or girls are immune.

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

Horrible. When will violence against women and girls start mattering? When will is become unacceptable?

Fuck knows.

So much in the news all the time with things from grooming on the internet, to girls being attacked in schools all over the place and it being brushed under the carpet, to recent murders, to the appalling situation with rape stats, and on and on. So many. All the time.

I am pessimistic. I wish I wasn't. But I'm nearly 50 and while more is out in the open rather than being kept quiet about. What good is that if it still doesn't mean anything.

I'm sure there was an attacker last few years, in Croydon, who kept sneaking up on women from behind and knocking them out with head blows. I wonder if it is connected.

Different person.

The Sun is reporting on it - links it to a "porn obsession"

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15612796/boy-who-stabbed-2-schoolgirls-and-sexually-assaulted-4-others-after-porn-obsession-is-locked-up/

Unfortunately, it's still only done in a somewhat salacious way, no real analysis or suggestion that it's somehow a wide ranging cultural problem. (But it would be hard for the Sun to have any credibility with an editorial line like that).

@NumberTheory

The Sun is reporting on it - links it to a "porn obsession"

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15612796/boy-who-stabbed-2-schoolgirls-and-sexually-assaulted-4-others-after-porn-obsession-is-locked-up/

Unfortunately, it's still only done in a somewhat salacious way, no real analysis or suggestion that it's somehow a wide ranging cultural problem. (But it would be hard for the Sun to have any credibility with an editorial line like that).

That's a good observation about The Sun. 🙂

At least they didn’t say “Girls get stabbed by boy” which is usually how these things are reported. Woman gets raped, woman is killed etc. Not man kills, rapes. I write to every newspaper I see doing this pointing out the veiled victim blaming.

He will murder some day. He needs to be kept in prison forever.

@Cazzovuoi

At least they didn’t say “Girls get stabbed by boy” which is usually how these things are reported. Woman gets raped, woman is killed etc. Not man kills, rapes. I write to every newspaper I see doing this pointing out the veiled victim blaming.

He will murder some day. He needs to be kept in prison forever.

I agree. He should at least be out of society until 45ish. I would say the same if he were my son.

@Cazzovuoi and @BrandineDelRoy

I agree it’s particularly bad. According to the sun article, th judge does too. But. He’s still a child. The first attack (that we know of) when he was just 14. For me at least, I think it’s hard to see that as entirely free will in the same way I would if he were 30. So a sentence aime at rehabilitation seems humane.

@NiceGerbil

How do you know they weren't black girls?

I haven't seen that info.

Yes racism is a huge issue and for women it multiplies.

I do think this conviction is worth talking about on its own terms though.

When it comes to misogyny no women or girls are immune.

Sorry, that came out wrong.

They were. Which is another reason why the media didn't give a shit. Had it been white middle class girls in purley, it might have made it to about page 7 of the Advertiser.

I was looking on the dates in this - the attacks were in late 2019 and early 2020, and the linked newspaper article is dated April 2021 (the date of his conviction)

But I don't remember seeing a single thing about this at the time - we're not that far away from Croydon, and I would have expected that 12 girls assaulted in quite a short space of time would have been known at least across south London.

Even if the police wanted to keep some aspects of the investigations under wraps, I would have expected more attention to a spate of crimes such as these.

Anyone more local remember if these was more?

My daughter was at school in the area at the time and we heard through her school.

And another one, this was linked at the bottom of the Sun article www.thesun.co.uk/news/15596985/scots-schoolboy-rapist-egan-ritchie-unmasked/

Oh god this is awful those poor girls.

You do have to wonder where the adults in his life were. How was he exposed to porn?

Without wishing to debunk the influence of porn on society I do also need to he careful how much and what we " explain away"

I watched alot of horror movies as a kid. I'm.yet to attack someone with a chainsaw or even my fists tbh.

Where does acknowledging the influence end and personal responsibility for their choices/behaviour begin. The very tricky line to define.

I hope that at just 15, there's hope to turn him around. If adults were sharing oorn or providing access to porn then he's a victim of abuse himself.

Sorry that probably reads as if I'm defending him. I'm.not. what he did is disgusting and those poor girls
... I can't imagine what they must be going through. They were already with their parents amd that didn't even keep them safe. It really brings home how powerless we are

Lots of people don't see it as hatred, though, the genuinely think it's the opposite... that it is about attraction. And that the women were somehow in the wrong for "rejecting" the attacker's attentions.

[quote NumberTheory]**@Cazzovuoi* and @BrandineDelRoy*

I agree it’s particularly bad. According to the sun article, th judge does too. But. He’s still a child. The first attack (that we know of) when he was just 14. For me at least, I think it’s hard to see that as entirely free will in the same way I would if he were 30. So a sentence aime at rehabilitation seems humane.[/quote]
Honestly isn’t it kind of worse that he’s so young?

He should be named and shamed. Awful.

@UsedUpUsername How does his youth make him more culpable?

I'm surprised there weren't warnings etc.

Maybe at the time they didn't link them

Maybe at the time they didn't link them

Always the way isn't it. Seemingly no one knew until something happenes.

Then there's a.long list of behaviours ...

@SquirmOfEels

I was looking on the dates in this - the attacks were in late 2019 and early 2020, and the linked newspaper article is dated April 2021 (the date of his conviction)

But I don't remember seeing a single thing about this at the time - we're not that far away from Croydon, and I would have expected that 12 girls assaulted in quite a short space of time would have been known at least across south London.

Even if the police wanted to keep some aspects of the investigations under wraps, I would have expected more attention to a spate of crimes such as these.

Anyone more local remember if these was more?

12 girls? I only saw reference to 6. There were 4 sexual assaults on girls between November 2019 and October 2020 and then the two stabbings within two days of each other in early November 2020.

Why is this not considered a hate crime?

@MarshmallowSwede

Why is this not considered a hate crime?

The hate crime legislation did not include sex as a protected characteristic.

I thought this might be linked to the kidnap and rape of a 13 year old girl on her way to school who was then rescued by a woman who noticed something wrong when she saw the girl with the thug but it turns out to be a different criminal. When you read the details reported, these attacks by the 15-year old were extremely violent and were going on over the course of a year. "On 2 September 2020 he punched a mother in the face then sexually assaulted her 13-year-old daughter in front of her by trying to remove her underwear, it is alleged." Not even a mother accompanying her child was a deterrent for this brute. He was caught because the police issued a cctv image.