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Two vulnerable women ignored by Met Police killed by the same known sex offender - Newsnight report
stumbledin · 24/06/2021 23:53
This is the most horrendous report of years of a man known to be violent towards women constantly let off as his victims didn't merit police time.
If you aren't the right race or class it seems still determines if the police will protect you.
The women's bodies were only found after the violent man was reported missing and police searched his flat. But they never searched when the women where reported missing.
Or the young girl some years before who was not protected or believed. And if she had been he would not have been out in the community to inflict violence and death on two other women.
From the start of this episode of newsnight www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000x9q8/newsnight-24062021
stumbledin · 24/06/2021 23:59
There is also a BBC news story if no time to watch the newsnight report www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53950083
Thecatonthemat · 25/06/2021 00:16
I am really interested to know how men like this are being “managed in the community” I sometimes think we are being kept in the dark about how many violent men who are known about officially are out there. Several programmes have stated that they are managed, but with no statement about what this actually means . I imagine some workers know very well how dangerous they are but short of being there all the time how can they possibly be managed? This is what has happened to so many girls and women who are not valued. Maggie Oliver knows only too well. After this awful discussion I switched over to Question time to hear a gay man ranting about how to much attention is being paid to women, and what about the men. Grr
stumbledin · 25/06/2021 00:23
If anything brings home the status of women in society these horrific crimes do.
It just seems to happen over and over again.The victims themselves report. Their families report. And police just decide they aren't important or aren't to be believed, but the same man can be arrested or had statements made against him over and over again, and they believe him that it wasn't anything serious.
And dont believe the police constantly lose files etc.. I suspect they never did the work to create files of information in the first place.
Wallpapering · 25/06/2021 00:51
TheCatonTheMat
They are supposed to be managed by system they have in place which is called ‘MAPPA but as you can guess when it comes to safety of women & children there is always loopholes for these men
I honestly don’t know what it will take whereas lives of women & kids are no longer seen as worthless & disposable.
NiceGerbil · 25/06/2021 03:07
I haven't watched the piece but get enough from the OP.
Women getting assaulted raped killed even are just background noise. It happens all the time. It's not shocking. It's just 'one of those things'.
For the police etc it's s pita. Not a priority. Messy. Too many reports. Not straightforward like a burglar or a mugger or an armed robbery.
Our laws were set up for property crime. DV, CSA, sex offences don't really fit in the framework.
Entrenched misogyny, obviously is a massive issue. Combined with little interest in society as a whole.
The fact that even though men escalate, the stuff they start on is considered trivial, not worth bothering with.
Recent example being the met officer who murdered. S few days before an indecent exposure incident so brazen it should have rung alarm bells. They were given the numberplate. Loads of witnesses. Didn't do anything. Obviously. Flashing is trivial.
NiceGerbil · 25/06/2021 03:10
I'm not optimistic.
Things have been getting worse.
After Jimmy saville, metoo, the CSA in Rotherham etc. There's an active backlash that men are being persecuted or something.
Society doesn't want to face up to it, and the authorities aren't interested. Is the bottom line.
ScreamingMeMe · 25/06/2021 06:55
@NiceGerbil
Women getting assaulted raped killed even are just background noise. It happens all the time. It's not shocking. It's just 'one of those things'.
For the police etc it's s pita. Not a priority. Messy. Too many reports. Not straightforward like a burglar or a mugger or an armed robbery.
Our laws were set up for property crime. DV, CSA, sex offences don't really fit in the framework.
Entrenched misogyny, obviously is a massive issue. Combined with little interest in society as a whole.
The fact that even though men escalate, the stuff they start on is considered trivial, not worth bothering with.
Recent example being the met officer who murdered. S few days before an indecent exposure incident so brazen it should have rung alarm bells. They were given the numberplate. Loads of witnesses. Didn't do anything. Obviously. Flashing is trivial.
Colin Pitchfork started off with indecent exposure, too. And this was in the 80s!
It really does feel as though women aren't important enough for all the pieces to be put together before the men in question escalate; there doesn't seem to be any appetite for prevention. It's sickening.
EishetChayil · 25/06/2021 08:06
@Thecatonthemat
Society is absolutely riddled with sex offenders and paedophiles who ought to vs behind bars. It's actually terrifying. People play it down because the reality is just too frightening.
highame · 25/06/2021 09:06
The Met are too busy with Pride month and before that they were busy buying their rainbow shoe laces and lanyards. Once they've finished sorting that out, they'll look to see if we're popular and if we're still not at the top of the list, then they'll spend a few months completing their Stonewall Championship paperwork.
and they wonder why we don't trust them geeez
AssassinatedBeauty · 25/06/2021 09:44
I haven't got the words to say how horrific this man is and how utterly inadequate the police were, and how they failed all of this man's victims. He was known to be horrifically violent, to groom and control children, to rape and sexually assault, and yet time after time charges were dropped or plea bargains given or just no evidence offered at court.
It is only when HE was reported missing that they found the bodies of these two beautiful women. It's just so profoundly sad that Henriett had no one at all in her life that even noticed she was missing. The man who raped her, beat her up and threw her off his 5th floor balcony seems to have also got away with it as she was no longer around to give evidence in court against him.
The longer article about all the missed chances by the police is worth reading, if you can cope with the awful crimes being described against multiple young women - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53920575
Zeugma · 25/06/2021 09:51
And it wasn't even a unanimous verdict from the jury. Dear God.
Let's hope they felt shame when they heard about all the previous occasions when this vile specimen had got away with abusing and attacking women and been waved cheerily off with the all-clear to carry on.
SheldonesqueWontTolerateFools · 25/06/2021 10:04
nicegerbil
Women getting assaulted raped killed even are just background noise
Horrific isn’t it?
However the way women are being silenced (and even being popped away into little corners of chat sites when they dare to speak out) recently, I think we are considered as background noise full stop.
boogiewithasuitcase · 25/06/2021 10:30
I posted on the other thread last night and woke up this morning feeling so sad and angry about this case, and especially for Henriett, who had nobody at all to look out for her.
The last sighting of Henriett before her death was with Younis. Henriett was reported by police as being thin with a scarf covering her face. Nobody followed up on this. Appalling.
Another BBC report says she was in a woman's refuge in Ilford for a while. Maybe the refuge needs its own officers who can look out for women like Henriett.
Wallpapering · 25/06/2021 10:42
Usually avoid reading articles as they write about women in very clinical way and perpetrator is wrote about like they victim.
Reduce to tears before even finished reading about Henriett.
So many questions but first one is just what will it take for enough to be enough and lives of women matter.
Everyone in system failed all these women, there just is no excuses he was supposed to be monitored fgs, the fact he wasn’t behind bars beggars belief.
This is why I think MAPPA is another pile of shit
stumbledin · 25/06/2021 15:34
@HebeMumsnet - I do not give you permission to move this thread. You have absolutely no right to do it.
I posted it in the women's rights section because the crimes are about women as a sex being attacked by men.
If you have a political analysis that you believe is THE true feminism then stop going behind our backs and taking decision undermine us.
Please not if you do NOT put this back in sex and gender I will make a formal complaint about someone abusing their position power to manipulate discussion to suit their personal views.
I am totally and utterly disgusted to think you have any right to do that, and to do it without consultation.
Please correct your ERROR immediately.
This is not China. We do no tolerate thought police.
If you have your own set of believes and can only work to them, you should go and create your own environment to do it in.
How dare you.
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