Two vulnerable women ignored by Met Police killed by the same known sex offender - Newsnight report

[stumbledin]

This is the most horrendous report of years of a man known to be violent towards women constantly let off as his victims didn't merit police time.

If you aren't the right race or class it seems still determines if the police will protect you.

The women's bodies were only found after the violent man was reported missing and police searched his flat. But they never searched when the women where reported missing.

Or the young girl some years before who was not protected or believed. And if she had been he would not have been out in the community to inflict violence and death on two other women.

From the start of this episode of newsnight www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000x9q8/newsnight-24062021

[NiceGerbil]

It's back in chat as it should be.

I read the piece.

I hadn't realised it was this one, this man.

For me it's a why wasn't he in prison question.

He had been given life for previous offences and is described as a sadistic sex offender.

I really think that with some crimes the condition for release should be that s panel of major experts all agree that there is no risk to the public.

If that means some men are in prison for ever then that's fine by me.

One of the reasons for prison is public protection. This seems to be put to one side.

He was supposed to be under conditions where he was checked on etc after his release. And he was able to do this.

The torture these women must have undergone. The fact he kept them for ages.

Makes me want to cry to be honest.

The judges comment about the CPS case is damning.

The police actions (inactions) are unforgivable.

This has really upset me tbh.

[stumbledin]

NiceGerbil - it never was in chat. And its irrelevant what you think. Its a thread I started on the FWR (wrongly titled by mumsnet)

If you wanted to discuss it in feminist chat there was an existing thread.

Why didn't you comment there as you feel that is appropriate.

This is about the oppression of women because of their sex which it why it belongs in the thread about women's sex based rights.

[NiceGerbil]

Apologies I think I got the threads confused.

I'll copy my post and take it to the other thread.

[NiceGerbil]

Oh god now I'm really confused.

I'm not sure which thread is the one I've been reading or both and got them totally confused.

This is going to be s problem isn't it? I check both sections and where there's similar threads it's going to potentially have people doing what I've done.

[NiceGerbil]

No it is this one I've been posting on.

Obviously fine on this topic it's your thread OP.

[NiceGerbil]

I must admit I don't understand why you want it here though.

Is it because this is sex based violence and so you believe this is the best place?

To make a point?

[Wallpapering]

This thread is showing up in both chat and sex & gender.

My screen tiny so could get full thread title in 2nd photo but definitely same thread

[NiceGerbil]

Thanks wallpapering!

I thought I was going bonkers! Was totally confused.

[nettie434]

Does it look like it's in two places because you can toggle between the two boards NiceGerbil Wallpapering? I got myself in a muddle last night when I started a thread.


There are often multiple threads on the same topic, even when there was just one board, especially if people are posting live when watching or listening to something, as happened to me last night.

This was such a failure by the police and the CPS. It happens too often. I agree with you NiceGerbil that we are going to have to find a way of scrutinising decisions about prosecutions and parole.

[NiceGerbil]

No it's definitely on both for me.

[NiceGerbil]

It says feminism chat at the top for me now, and the toggle is for sex gender

[StrangeLookingParasite]

One of those women had a broken sternum. Jesus wept, how hard do you have to hit someone to break their sternum - it's one of the stronger bones in the body?

This shitful monster got let off over and over again. I wonder what judge or magistrate did these awful, awful things. So many instances.

[Wallpapering]

Yes same for me now. Split is so disorganised & messy.

I follow more the women’s stuff relating to domestic abuse/violence, family courts, child safeguarding and honestly the system is a fcking mess in failing women and children, like all the women that have been failed in article link in thread.

It’s not just women am seeing news stories who these violent men have murdered but it’s becoming regular thing where reading they murdered their children.

The justice system is a joke, women receive much harsher punishment than men

The MAAPA system is a flawed as criteria level required meaning most of these violent men won’t be monitored.

Clare’s Law - Sarah’s Law has loopholes - but Della’s Law have been campaigning to change one of those loopholes.

Out of all Police I follow only Northants seems to taken domestic violence/abuse seriously and made it one of their top priorities the rest to busy pandering to woke shit, but even then it lays in hands of CPS

Am forever signing petitions if you on Twitter look up IvanGould7 he is a father who’s daughter was raped by sadistic bstrd that got early released. Your signature helps

What upsets me most is knowing how much those women suffered, they had no one the system that should of prevented & protected them didn’t give a shit.

There are so many other serious issues effecting women other than gender stuff but until we no longer having to fight women rights like even using words like pregnant women, mother etc then nothing will change and women like those in article will keep happening because we won’t matter

[NCwhatsmynameagain]

Horrifying. Blood on hands there with the catalogue of dismissive errors

[Flippin]

This is not “chat” ffs

[QuentinBunbury]

I read that longer article before and was just so so sad for his victims. It is disgusting that noone monitored him properly but I'm also not surprised.

[Clymene]

I remember vaguely reading about this at the time. Women like this are just invisible aren't they? Lives a long litany of abuse and men like Younis can tap into an endless stream of them. Because they know the police don't care.

I read both articles this morning and the police had so many opportunities to have prevented these murders but they didn't bother.

Women like this are treated as absolute trash by society.

RIP Heni and Jan. May your children find peace.

[stumbledin]

Sorry to say it is still on Chat, which I did not give mumsnet permission to put it there.

It was put on the sex and gender, really the FWR thread as it is about women experiencing violence because of their sex.

So if as seems likely mumsnet are not going to move it back, which is a breach of my intellectual rights to free expression, then I will get the thead deleted.

But as I have pointed out up thread, there was already a post about this on chat so not sure why they wasn't used to begin with.

So suggest you move any comments you want kept to the original thread started on chat.

[QuentinBunbury]

This isn't chat. It's FWR or feminist chat
The other board is sex and gender debate, which is about the impact of gender self ID on womens rights
I think this thread is in the right place

[TheQueef]

Just finished watching, thanks for the thread/ heads up.

Why is he (and the others) such a low priority?
They knew he would kill someone, he was blatantly a murderer waiting to happen.

The women and girls he hurt/ killed/ forcibly fucking married are just not worth it.
What kind of society sacrifices it's females like this.
Shame.