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I'm a loser and just realising it..........

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CuppaT · 26/01/2010 10:30

I may get told off for posting here, i'm just taking up real problem space but if i write stuff down it may help.

I have been with P for 10 years. Never been truly happy and for the past 4 years have been trying to leave. You will probably be thinking "well just go" but that is easier said than done.

He is quite emotionally abusive in a way that he screams in anger, is very picky about neatness, is a generally negative person. I've got no confidence at all and no assertiveness. I hate confrontation and I hate to hurt people, hence why it is taking so long.

I KNOW I will be better when I'm on my own but no matter how hard I try, I cannot get the balls to do it.

Anyway for a few months I've really been struggling mentally. Some weeks I am really tearful. Some weeks I'm quite hard faced and find it hard to speak to anyone. Other weeks I am quite cheeful and can have a laugh and a joke with others.

I'm quite shy anyway, in a childish way sometimes. Last night for example I went to my slimming world club and when they got around to me I went bright red as people were looking at me and was stumbling over my words and kept looking down. I came across so ridiculous. I find it hard to speak to other mums down the school. I'm not there often as I only pick kids up once maybe twice a week and just drop them off in the mornings but I look at groups of other mums talking and arranging get togethers etc and get a little jealous. I feel that they look at me and think I'm strange.

I took DD to a party a few weeks ago and sat on my own at the end of the table while the other mums sat at the other end all talking and laughing. I did try and get involved but I just looked stupid.

I am a really bad yo-yo dieter. I lost about 3 stone 2 years ago and put it all back on, now trying to lose it again but will probably end up putting it back on again.

I'm crap with money. I have just turned 30 and apart from my DCs I have absolutely nothing to show for it.

I'm worried that I've had a bad effect on my DS. He's 10 and he's really shy, different to the other kids, he's not into football and I worry about him so much, especially as he is going up to secondary school in September.

I never go anywhere or do anything. Never go on holiday or anything like that

I know I'm just weird. Well I'm not, but I come across that way.

I'm so frustrated with myself. I'm a bit of a waste of space really, you know apart from my family and DCs, I don't think anyone would really miss me if I wasn't here. I'm just nothing special and there are millions of people aren't there.

Sorry if you have read through this, it's depressing and long. You have better things to do than to read through my crappy life.

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CuppaT · 04/02/2010 15:18

Thank you. You are an inspiration to me Mitsubishi .

willsurvive - is he actually abusing me do you think? Do you think he knows he is? I'm about it?

GetDown - no I don't keep a diary but have read through this thread and others I've created and sometimes I forget little things which makes me think.

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cestlavielife · 04/02/2010 15:22

"I'd love to be a nurse. Medicine interests me and maybe would like to train as a midwife one day. Seems so huge to achieve. I made enquiries last year but P seemed to think it was another one of my hair-brain ideas but when the offer letter came from the college he told me we can't afford for me to give up work and that was that." that is so sad.

yes he is controlling/abusing you. speak to WA - they will not think you wasting their time. part of the control is being nice - is called the cycle of abuse

www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/Abuser/dynamics.htm

take the small steps to a new life.

the kids will be fine.

my exP was like yours controlling, over tidy, etcetc.

we are so much more relaxed living away from him.

go see a counsellor on your own.

keep this thread and what you have told everyone.

CuppaT · 05/02/2010 10:07

thank you cestlavie. it's encouraging to know you've got through it and feel happier for having done it.

He knows how sad I feel. He is trying to be sympathetic and look concerned but it's actually really getting to him. He just won't leave me to it, he can't leave me alone.

I'm so used to this was of living, I worry that it's gonna be really difficult to adjust.

Baby steps I know.......

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willsurvivethis · 05/02/2010 14:16

CuppaT yes hun he is - abuse comes in many guises and punching and kicking is only one.

it is hard to define abuse - it starts with treating you without the respect and dignity that you deserve - not allowing you to be who you should be.

Maybe he knows deep within that he treats you badly but is scared you will leave if he 'lets you go' - maybe he knows and doesn't care, maybe he doesn't have a clue. You can't change any of it for him - you can only change things for yourself and I think you should.

NotQuiteSure01 · 06/02/2010 21:33

Sorry only just read this, to answer your question... yes I have a DS with my ex and I also have a DD from my relationship before and my ex brought her up as his own. They were actually fine after the split. My DS was too young really luckily but my DD asked a lot of questions and seemed a bit clingy for a fe wweeks but she realised how much happier I was and therefore how much better and happier home was so she adjusted quickly. i really feared over what it would do to her emotionally and I think a lot of women do, that's why they don't want to leave their partner but I promise you staying with him will be far worse for them.

CuppaT · 07/02/2010 08:46

That is exactly my situation NQS. I think DD will be fine, she is 4 and she loves her dad but there are times when she rejects him and pushes him away in favour of me. So perhaps seeing him a little less wouldn't be too hard to cope with.

I worry that my DS who is 10 will be confused as he sees his real dad every Saturday and sometimes stays the weekend which has always been fine, never had any problems. I think P now scares him as he often comes to me whispering that he's done something and is worried he'll be shouted at. So it's like he doesn't live with his real dad, doesn't live with his step-dad who raised him since a baby and suddenly there is no father figure. Poor lad. Perhaps I'm over-thinking it? I dunno.

Willsurive - yes I agree I have to change this situation and I know for certain that I need and want to do it. It's just the actual doing it. I'll get there though, I hope.

must phone WA tomorrow

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whyme2 · 07/02/2010 09:29

I've just been reading this thread and although I have no advice or experience to offer I really wanted to urge you to get some help for your situation CuppaT.
I felt so sad for you. You are young and have a lot of life in front of you.

Good luck!

notsohotchic · 08/02/2010 19:49

yep, i need to add, i lived with a control freak partner and dad of my 3 children for 7 years too long.. and i am sooo glad I eventually found the courage to end the relationship and set up by myself. He was ruining my life. now he only ruins his own. He was never going to change. Good Luck, and find some real life friends. A couple of mine really helped me get by.

CuppaT · 08/02/2010 20:43

thank you whyme, I know I need some help. Going to ring WA this week, I've made a strict promise to myself.

Notso - how did you eventually manage to get there? Were the kids OK? Are you civil with each other now or is he still an arse? Sorry for questions, just helps to know others' experiences.

I have felt really really awful today, I've not ever felt this low before and it's a bit scary. Everything seems so huge to achieve, even things like putting the washing away or going my hair. It's really weird.

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CuppaT · 08/02/2010 20:44

doing my hair of course

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notsohotchic · 09/02/2010 23:38

hi, sorry you had a bad day.
I am still having problems with him after 3 years seperated. But I no longer feel that someone else is controlling my life, making me into a miserable person (I was seriously depressed)and a bad mother in the long run. Now I am FREE! (Except for having to sort out his contact through court)But I am in control of my own life. My ex is an alcoholic, he drank too much when we were together too. Make lists, see the c.a.b. about money, see a couple of friends / family you trust and tell them. Few people had realised what an arse he was being to me. I saw a counsellor and told her I wanted to separate with him by the end of our 6 sessions. He had moved out by the end. Helped me to stay focussed. It is hard but worth it, NO DOUBT about that. Children are more adaptable than people think and better off with one happy parent than two who are at war.

cestlavielife · 10/02/2010 10:23

dont worry about ds - he does have a father figure -his own father !! he sees him every weekend and sometimes stays and it is fine... and presumably his real father doesnt scare or shout at him.

father figures who shout and scare - what is the point of them?

have you seen/are you seeing a counsellor yet?

NotQuiteSure01 · 11/02/2010 23:20

You're in the transition mode at the moment. Everything feels weird and dream like, like you're in a trance. That's when I did it, I had enough and left him, everything seemed so strange anyway that then was the best time to do it. I think my DD gets a bit confused, she is 7 now and her bio dad is dead but she sees his family every school holiday for a couple of days each time. Then she sees my ex now and again (not as much as my DS does though). I never know how to handle the situation without making one of my children feel like they aren't getting the best. I think it's more in my mind though. I do feel like I am constantly compensating for what one of them may be missing out on but I guess that's the worst thing about having 2 children by 2 different fathers. It would be far worse if I was still with my ex, far more damaging for them. It is confusing for them to start with when things are up in the air but when the dust settles things will go back to normal. Kids adapt.

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 11/02/2010 23:49

Oh, Cuppa. Every post speaks volumes about how worthless you think you are. You're wasting our time by even posting, you're wasting WA's time, you hope you're not offending us, you hope you're not confusing your partner, you apologise every time you ask a question.

You are worth our time. Use that as a starting point. Your problems are real, your life is worthwhile, your happiness is worthwhile. You are worth our time.

And you are worth WA's time, too. That's what they do. You are locked in a real cycle of abuse, it's ground you down, you may well be clinically depressed as a result. You are worth their time.

You are worth happiness, too. Your life, the things you want, are just as valid as anyone else's.

As for whether he knows he's abusing you - he might not call it by that name. But he knows that he upsets you by yelling at you about the housework (which, by the way, don't fall for the 'I can't help it I just like things a certain way' trick. My husband was tidier than me when we moved in together, and you know how he dealt with that? By DOING THE TIDYING HIMSELF.) and he doesn't stop. He knows that he upsets you when he makes nasty jabs to your daughter, and he doesn't stop. He makes comments on your weight, stops you going out without him, gives you no privacy and no trust. He knows perfectly well that he's doing those things.

He really does.

CuppaT · 12/02/2010 09:55

NQS - thank you for sharing your situation with me. I do at the moment sort of feel like I'm in a trance but still feel like I'm not able to tell him it's over.

Yesterday I was getting together camping stuff as my DS is going camping this weekend. I got out the sleeping bag and P said "you'll have to go and hang that on the line to air it out", I said "well it's a bit cold to be outside, I'll put it in the airing cupboard and drape it over the radiator for a few hours". He flipped and shouted "why cant you just accept other people's opinions once in a while? Why are you so adamant to always do things your way? That's you all over that is, selfish". I just don't get why he flips over minor things so much, oh and we also had an argument over his belt as he couldn't find it and as he's been working, I should have been looking for it. Years and years of this, over and over again.

Tortoise, that's it exactly I don't feel worthy of anyone's time. I'm scared of rejection so I just don't bother. A lot of things you've said there are so true. Thank you for posting, I got a bit teary when you said I am worthy.

One little step is I have got the book "feel the fear and do it anyway" which was kindly recommended earlier in the thread. Have started reading it.

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willsurvivethis · 12/02/2010 10:28

CuppaT - the two incidents you describe there - well my DH better not dare say things like that or there will be trouble. And that's coming from someone with very serious self esteem problems. That should tell you where things are.

I'm not feeling great this morning and not very subtle but he sounds like a total manipulating bstrd!!!Sorry if that offends. Telling you how to do housework and then calling you selfish if you do it your way .

GetDownYouWillFall · 12/02/2010 17:55

Hi CuppaT how are you? I have been thinking about you. Hoping you're ok x

CuppaT · 13/02/2010 07:53

Aw thank you GetDown, I'm a bit confused, bit all over the place tbh. He's home all weekend so bit nervous about that and my DS is camping for 3 days so gonna miss him loads.

Willsurvive, you didn't offend, I need to know that this stuff isn't normal because a lot of it I'm so used to, I think it is .

Thank you all so much for your support so far, means a lot

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CuppaT · 22/02/2010 06:49

I have decided that I want to be strong and really want to work towards a better future for me and DCs. However, I know this can't happen overnight so wondered how I go about making that happen?

Can anyone offer any words of wisdom to someone who feels so weak?

I sort of feel as though I want someone to come and live my life for me and make all the decisions and I just go with the flow.

Still feel totally confused and depressed but really want to be on my own and be stronger........

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GetDownYouWillFall · 22/02/2010 21:02

Hi CuppaT,

This is taken from the Women's aid site:

Domestic violence often includes a range of abusive behaviours, not all of which are, in themselves, inherently 'violent' - hence some people prefer to use the term 'domestic abuse' rather than 'domestic violence'.

This list can help you to recognise if you, or someone you know, are in an abusive relationship.

  • Destructive criticism and verbal abuse: shouting; mocking; accusing; name calling; verbally threatening.

  • Pressure tactics: sulking; threatening to withhold money, disconnecting the telephone, taking the car away, taking the children away, or reporting you to welfare agencies unless you comply with his demands; threatening or attempting suicide; withholding or pressuring you to use drugs or other substances; lying to your friends and family about you; telling you that you have no choice in any decisions.

  • Disrespect: persistently putting you down in front of other people; not listening or responding when you talk; interrupting your telephone calls; taking money from your purse without asking; refusing to help with childcare or housework.

  • Breaking trust: lying to you; withholding information from you; being jealous; having other relationships; breaking promises and shared agreements.

  • Isolation: monitoring or blocking your telephone calls; telling you where you can and cannot go; preventing you from seeing friends and relatives; shutting you in the house.

  • Harassment: following you; checking up on you; not allowing you any privacy (for example, opening your mail), repeatedly checking to see who has telephoned you; embarrassing you in public; accompanying you everywhere you go.

  • Threats: making angry gestures; using physical size to intimidate; shouting you down; destroying your possessions; breaking things; punching walls; wielding a knife or a gun; threatening to kill or harm you and the children; threatening to kill or harm family pets; threats of suicide.

  • Sexual violence: using force, threats or intimidation to make you perform sexual acts; having sex with you when you don't want it; forcing you to look at pornographic material; forcing you to have sex with other people; any degrading treatment related to your sexuality or to whether you are lesbian, bisexual or heterosexual.

  • Physical violence: punching; slapping; hitting; biting; pinching; kicking; pulling hair out; pushing; shoving; burning; strangling.

  • Denial: saying the abuse doesn't happen; saying you caused the abusive behaviour; being publicly gentle and patient; crying and begging for forgiveness; saying it will never happen again.

Preparing to leave

Whatever coping strategies you have used ? with more or less success - there may come a time when you feel the only option is to leave your partner.

If you do decide to leave your partner, it is best if you can plan this carefully. Sometimes abusers will increase their violence if they suspect you are thinking of leaving, and will continue to do so after you have left, so this can be a particularly dangerous time for you. It?s important to remember that ending the relationship will not necessarily end the abuse

Plan to leave at a time you know your partner will not be around. Try to take everything you will need with you, including any important documents relating to yourself and your children, as you may not be able to return later. Take your children with you, otherwise it may be difficult or impossible to have them living with you in future. If they are at school, make sure that the head and all your children's teachers know what the situation is, and who will be collecting the children in future. (See below, Protecting yourself after you have left).

Thinking about leaving and making the decision to leave can be a long process. Planning it doesn't mean you have to carry it through immediately - or at all. But it may help to be able to consider all the options and think about how you could overcome the difficulties involved. If at all possible, try to set aside a small amount of money each week, or even open a separate bank account.

What to pack if you are planning to leave your partner
Ideally, you need to take all the following items with you if you leave. Some of these items you can try to keep with you at all times; others you may be able to pack in your 'emergency bag'.

  • Some form of identification.
  • Birth certificates for you and your children.
  • Passports (including passports for all your children), visas and work permits.
  • Money, bankbooks, cheque book and credit and debit cards.
  • Keys for house, car, and place of work. (You could get an extra set of keys cut, and put them in your emergency bag.)
  • Cards for payment of Child Benefit and any other welfare benefits you are entitled to.
  • Driving licence (if you have one) and car registration documents, if applicable.
  • Prescribed medication.
  • Copies of documents relating to your housing tenure (for example, mortgage details or lease and rental agreements).
  • Insurance documents, including national insurance number.
  • Address book.
  • Family photographs, your diary, jewellery, small items of sentimental value.
  • Clothing and toiletries for you and your children.
  • Your children's favourite small toys.

You should also take any documentation relating to the abuse - e.g. police reports, court orders such as injunctions and restraining orders, and copies of medical records if you have them.

Protecting yourself after you have left

If you leave your partner because of abuse, you may not want people to know the reason you left. It is your decision whether or not you tell people that you have suffered domestic violence; but if you believe you may still be at risk, it might increase your safety if you tell your family and friends, your children's school, and your employer or college what is happening, so that they do not inadvertently give out any information to your ex-partner. They will also be more prepared and better able to help you in an emergency.

If you have left home, but are staying in the same town or area, these are some of the ways in which you might be able to increase your safety:

  • Try not to place yourself in a vulnerable position or isolate yourself.
  • Try to avoid any places, such as shops, banks, cafes, that you used to use when you were together.
  • Try to alter your routines as much as you can.
  • If you have any regular appointments that your partner knows about (for example, with a counsellor or health practitioner) try to change your appointment time and/or the location of the appointment.
  • Try to choose a safe route, or alter the route you take or the form of transport you use, when approaching or leaving places you cannot avoid - such as your place of work, the children's school, or your GP's surgery.
  • Tell your children's school, nursery or childminder what has happened, and let them know who will pick them up. Make sure they do not release the children to anyone else, or give your new address or telephone number to anyone. (You may want to establish a password with them, and give them copies of any court orders, if you have them.)
  • Consider telling your employer or others at your place of work - particularly if you think your partner may try to contact you there.

If you have moved away from your area, and don't want your abuser to know where you are, then you need to take particular care with anything that may indicate your location; for example:

  • Your mobile phone could be 'tracked'; this is only supposed to happen if you have given your permission, but if your partner has had access to your mobile phone, he could have sent a consenting message purporting to come from you. If you think this could be the case, you should contact the company providing the tracking facility and withdraw your permission; or if you are in any doubt, change your phone.
  • Try to avoid using shared credit or debit cards or joint bank accounts: if the statement is sent to your ex-partner, he will see the transactions you have made.
  • Make sure that your address does not appear on any court papers. (If you are staying in a refuge, they will advise you on this.)
  • If you need to phone your abuser (or anyone with whom he is in contact), make sure your telephone number is untraceable by dialling 141 before ringing.
  • Talk to your children about the need to keep your address and location confidential.

Victims of stalking and domestic violence are now allowed to join the electoral register anonymously, so ensure they are not put at risk, and do not lose the right to vote. Anyone wanting to register their details anonymously must provide evidence such as an order under the Family Law Act 1996 or the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. If an application is granted, the details that appear on the register only have a person's electoral number and the letter N.

If you stay or return to your home after your partner has left, then you will probably have an occupation order or a protection order (see Getting an injunction). If the injunction has powers of arrest attached, then do make sure that your local police station has a copy, and that the police know that they need to respond quickly in an emergency. In some areas, there are special schemes to ensure a rapid response by the police (for example, the Community Alarm scheme in the London Borough of Haringey); and in other areas there may be projects (such as Staying Put in Bradford, and the Sanctuary Projects in Barnet and Bromley) that provide advice and additional security measures to make your home safe. However, it is important to know that you do not have to stay at home - with or without an injunction - if you do not feel safe there.

You could also consider the following:

  • Changing the locks on all doors.
  • Putting locks on all windows if you don't have them already.
  • Installing smoke detectors on each floor, and providing fire extinguishers.
  • Installing an outside light (back and front) which comes on automatically when someone approaches.
  • Informing the neighbours that your partner no longer lives there, and asking them to tell you - or call the police - if they see him nearby.
  • Changing your telephone number and making it ex-directory.
  • Using an answering machine to screen calls.
  • Keeping copies of all court orders together with dates and times of previous incidents and call-outs for reference if you need to call the police again.

If your ex-partner continues to harass, threaten or abuse you, make sure you keep detailed records of each incident, including the date and time it occurred, what was said or done, and, if possible, photographs of damage to your property or injuries to yourself or others. If your partner or ex-partner injures you, see your GP or go to hospital for treatment and ask them to document your visit. If you have an injunction with a power of arrest, or there is a restraining order in place, you should ask the police to enforce this; and if your ex-partner is in breach of any court order, you should also tell your solicitor. See Getting an injunction and the Police and the criminal prosecution process for further information on legal options.

In an emergency, always call the police on 999.

voxylady · 09/08/2010 19:26

I left an emotionally and sometimes physically in Jan2009 with virtually no money and no self esteem but my life and my son's life would have been ruined if I didn't go.

There are some free counselling places out there, depending on your area.

I went to counselling, moved in with my parents and did some serious work on myself by reading books, talking to people and getting to the bottom of my problems.

You can do it, I took nearly 2 years to leave but I did it and now I am flying high on life and being as good a parent as I can be.

How is your relationship with your family?

Counselling is the first port of call. A friend gave me this book, The Power of Your Subconscious Mind by Joseph Murphy and it really helped my road to recovery.

When you have left you will be able to recover from the damage, it will take time but you have to go if that's what you need to make your life better.

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