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Has his counsellor f**ked up our marriage?! Should we complain?! VERY ANGRY

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AngryatCounsellor · 25/03/2009 09:18

If anyone recognises me please don't out me.

Right I don't want this to turn into an essay so I will try to give the bare bones.

DH was given counselling a year ago for severe depression. Wanted to self-harm, terrible guilt for everything, very miserable. I took him to GP and he got ADs and counselling.

After about a month DH comes home from a session angry at his counsellor because she is putting all the blame on me. One of DH's problems was that anytime he felt terrible he would confirm his negative thoughts by thinking "DW thinks I'm horrible so it must be true". So I reassure him that what his counsellor was trying to do was build his trust in his own self-worth rather than rely on his assumptions about what "DW" thought. I was also constantly refuting all his thoughts and telling him I thought he was a good, kind, generous man. I comforted him and talked through everything with him whenever he needed it.

DH also had problems with repressing anger - it would all come out at me when he was drunk, but other than that he wouldn't even recognise he was angry, but would lash out in other ways (sullen, passive aggressive type behaviour).

Roll forward 6-9 months and I have a very different person to deal with. DH still thoroughly depressed and negative and thinking of self-harm. BUT now also suffering enormous mood swings between anger (always at me) and extreme self-pity. He had become emotionally abusive - if I was sad it was always met with anger; he belittled my need to be sad, told me I was holding back his therapy by making him feel bad, avoided being with me at all, used any vulnerability on my part as evidence of my "fallibility", accused me of lying all the time, wouldn't believe anything I said without proof, told me to think about my responsibility in his pain, and if he asked me to explain why I was so hurt and I wouldn't (because he would get angry or use it against me) then I was being "childish" and "pathetic" and trying to manipulate him

So... unsurprisingly I get ill (did I mention I am pregnant too), and was so surprised when my counsellor (not the same one) was nice to me and said I was justified in all my pain (lovely MNers said the same and I am eternally grateful to them). That I was allowed to be sad and angry and hurt and let down.

I asked DH to move out, he was devastated but we talked it through and he came to see it as a positive opportunity to work on his sadness and his marriage without the day to day drudgery (I took on all of that).

DH became very angry (as I feared he would). Spent all his time socialising, putting his friends before his dcs' visits, drinking when he had become tee-total due to its bad affect on him. When I tried to get him to put his dcs first I was accused of being controlling and manipulative and the more he visibly upset me the more angry he got

He'd been gone a month when he had a last huge outburst at me for not being willing to swap contact days as I had plans (never physical violence I want to stress). But when it peaked he collapsed into tears and I comforted him.

We got talking about his anger and his mood swings. Anyway to cut a long story short all this emerged:-

His counsellor has been encouraging him to be angry and express it, but has given him none of the tools to do so. She has not taught him how to be angry, but has praised him for any anger he expressed.

His counsellor when asked in Jan by him to use CBT techniques in sessions rubbished CBT but said she would incorporate some into sessions - never did.

She told him all his problems stem from listening to me too much and that he must question everything I say.

She told him that my sadness was because of my "unrealistic expectations" of him and completely my own fault. Apparently I keep (her words) "moving the goal posts" so he could never succeed.

She told him that I was blaming him for everything and that I needed to take responsibility for what was going wrong in our marriage.

She told him he needed to break out of the "adult/child" roles we were in, but didn't tell him how he could do this. He thought spending time with his friends and "standing up for himself" (i.e. getting angry) were him taking control and being an adult

She had completely undermined all the trust he had in me and made me the enemy. His paranoia is through the roof as he honestly believed I was out to get him.

So while I was at home being emotionally neglected and abused and not understanding why my DH wasn't trying to save our (previously solid, but now shaky) marriage, she was telling him that his behaviour was right and just and that this was the path to getting better.

Instead of increasing his self-worth and self-reliance, she was attacking my "unhealthy hold" over him.

We talked and we talked and we talked and although I know that she only has his views to work from, and was trying to help him, it became more and more clear that her advice is why my DH became this cruel, uncaring, nasty person.

We both went to his GP yesterday to discuss getting CBT for him. The GP was shocked that his counsellor hadn't provided any and was equally shocked by how long he had been seeing her without any real progress.

On the positive side, he is much more in touch with his emotions now - and he needed to be. She has shown him that his views are important and worthwhile - and he needed to feel that. But I just feel she has done untold damage to this family.

She has actually been telling him straight out how to interpret situations, rather than helping him find his own interpretations. He says that when he couldn't think straight she would tell him what to think - and it was never good for me.

So...

If you got through all that, thank you.

DH is now changing counsellor - although the idea of it terrifies him, because even though he is angry with her he is also completely emotionally dependent on her - and he's getting CBT and anger management.

He is still not living at home because I need to know if this change is temporary or not, but he has started being there for me in the past few days in a way that he hasn't been capable of for a year

Am I right in thinking she did something wrong or is this normal? I am really angry and want to complain to someone, but not if there's no point. I know she has to base her views on what her patient says, but in the early days I know he used to argue with her if she was negative about me and tell her everything I did for him and said to him.

TIA

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LauriefairycakeeatsCupid · 25/03/2009 09:28

I don't know if she did anything wrong as obviously this is second hand. And it should be him complaining not you, is he able to do this?.

If she is registered with the BACP then you can complain.

www.bacp.co.uk

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. If he has built a relationship with her then it might be worth him expressing his anger with her and what he feels she is trying to do - it might prove helpful for him.

TotalChaos · 25/03/2009 09:30

I have had a negative experience of counselling (some twat trying to treat OCD with inner child therapy, telling me he didn't believe in ADs and telling the GP I didn't need a psych referral, similar sort of airy promise to introduce some CBT) - so some of these complaints ring very true - e.g. the unwillingness to do CBT etc, the happiness to keep on seeing him ad infinitum although he wasn't progressing, the eagerness to ask probing questions without properly dealing with the answers. So I don't feel the counsellor has been helpful. But I also feel that DH has to bear some responsibility for his behaviour during the counselling - my concern would be that he may be transferring the blame from you to the counsellor - i.e. that there always has to be a baddy in this.

muppetgirl · 25/03/2009 09:31

I have to say reading that you come across as a very well balanced person who is willing to see both sides, see that dh has faults, you have faults but you want to help him.

The counsellor sounds very strange to me...I would say that counselling isn?t for everyone and she really should have seen that no real progress was being made by your dh so should have taken another track. I know he is more able to express his emotions and anger and that is a step forward but I wouldn't call moving out of the marital home and drinking real progress. He has to be careful she hasn't given him more issues to deal with.

CBT is great, I've also had Psychology sessions which was a mixture of just talking/offloading and CBT. I would ask him to write down all that is going on in his head. Get him an a4 book that is his to use as he wants. He can use this to express his anger (good god I did, you could tell the anger by the style of the writing, capital letters and the excessive underlining. Sounds silly now but the anger was very apparent) He can then use this to reflect, as a source of dialogue between you 2 (my dh would read my book as sometimes I just couldn't express what I was thinking/what was wrong and it gave him an insight into what was going on in my head!) He can also use this as a starting point for his CBT sessions.

This will help him do something with the anger rather than lashing out, which I'm sure he hates, at you.

AngryatCounsellor · 25/03/2009 09:33

Thanks Laurie (well done for getting through all that!)

I realise he would have to be the one who complained and I'm also cautious about the fact that she works from what he says.

BUT

I do think encouraging someone to release anger that they have never, in their entire lives, done without the basic tools to control it seems unbelievably unprofessional to me. He was under the impression that having a real go at me for not, e.g., filling the dishwasher was being assertive. She also never encouraged him to try out his new skills on anyone other than me.

I'm worried that if he talks to her she will convince him she is right

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muppetgirl · 25/03/2009 09:34

Agree TotalChaos, my counsellor was lovely but opened up the Pandora's box of emotions then left me for 2 weeks as she could only see me every other week. Not her fault but it made matters so much worse.

Looking back I think that as I wasn't a mild case serious psychology was needed not just 'chats' with a nice lady. I needed a step up from counselling and I think the op's dh also is in this situation.

AngryatCounsellor · 25/03/2009 09:37

Sorry - too slow. Thanks TC - he is in fact being very cautious about blaming her. He does accept that she has done all this, but isn't avoiding taking responsibility himself (a small miracle).

Muppet I am really hoping CBT is the answer. We went through some "negative assumptions" stuff on Saturday and I asked him to look at a time he got really angry, his assumption (that I was trying to control him) and how it inevitably led to his anger.

He hasn't been angry ONCE since (and this is a man who couldn't go 2 hours without flipping just last week).

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LauriefairycakeeatsCupid · 25/03/2009 09:37

Hmmm, your last post is making me pissed off with your dh - at no point would she have said 'go home and take your anger out on your wife' - he's supposed to be releasing/working on the anger in the room with her.

It's pretty manipulative behaviour to think its ok to come home and be angry with you. And then say 'my counsellor said it's ok'. Very convenient too.

Really sorry for you

Please look after yourself - doesn't sound like he is going to look after you. I'm glad you're being supported outside your relationship.

BonsoirAnna · 25/03/2009 09:38

I have had negative and (very) positive experiences of counselling and therapy, as have other members of my family.

The very best counsellors/therapists any of us have seen have both said (and these therapists were different in every possible way you could imagine) that if you aren't feeling better (and your relationships aren't improving) after about ten sessions, then you should either change therapist or you have a more serious psychiatric problem that needs medical professional help.

It doesn't sound to me that your DH's counsellor met the "ten-session rule".

LauriefairycakeeatsCupid · 25/03/2009 09:38

x-posts, was referring to your second post. Glad he's taking responsibility.

ruty · 25/03/2009 09:39

counsellors can be a very mixed bag. i had a very bad experience with one but luckily had a very good and healing experience with another. I am rather sceptical of the whole training process for counselling actually, and so much seems to depend on the personality of each individual. sounds very scary experience for both of you, i hope dh complains to bacp.

BonsoirAnna · 25/03/2009 09:40

LaurieFairyCake - how can you know that the counsellor didn't say that?

My DH saw his exW's therapist who said "Your divorce is inevitable, she doesn't love you and cannot love anyone." That's pretty harsh and I'm still not sure that the counsellor should have said that (though it was all true!).

oopsagain · 25/03/2009 09:42

why don't you go with him for a sessin?
]sometimes people hear what they want to hear- and not quite what the other person has said.
So she may not have said much- but he took it to mean that you were to blame.

I would be cautious in blaming the counsellor until you can confirm that this is what has happened.
But i don't know much re therapy- and if CBT is thought to be good- than it should have been addressed especially with him not getting any better.

good luck, i really feel for yuou- i hope life improves for both of you

TotalChaos · 25/03/2009 09:43

yes, I agree with Anna. the excellent psychologist I saw privately was on the verge of booting me as a patient at times as he didn't think I was making quick enough progress(!)

it's good he's taking some responsibility - but I suppose I am concerned that he's being telling the counsellor - it's all my evil wife's fault, and now telling you - it's all the evil counsellor's fault. out of interest - does he blame the counsellor for the time when he was not taking the ADs?

GColdtimer · 25/03/2009 09:44

I am not sure I can help but i just wanted to let you know that I read your post and sympathise with what you are going through.

It doesn't sound from what you say that the counsellour was equipped to deal with the problems your DH had. Counsellors aren't therapists and i agree with muppetgirl that your DH probably needs a step up from what this person can provide. She sounds out of her depth to be honest, but worryingly unaware of being so. A little bit of knowledge in the wrong hands can be a dangerous thing and this could be what has gone on here.

Why don't you speak to someone at BACP. It would have to be your DH who complained, but you could at least talk to them about the situation - you don't even need to name names.

LauriefairycakeeatsCupid · 25/03/2009 09:44

BA - I don't know that. There are dodgy people everywhere. I've just not met any that would think it's ok to say to a client go and be abusive to others.

We are very lucky in this country that counsellors/psychotherapists if members of BACP have to be supervised (and not just while they're in training like in the USA).

I like the last thing you said BA - tis not harsh if it's true? Non?

Bella73 · 25/03/2009 09:46

I have no real personal experience of this but it strikes me that if the gp was surprised by the counsellor's behaviour (lack of CBT, length of time seeing your DH without progress) then that might the basis for a complaint? Your DH could speak to the gp about maybe making some kind of formal comment about what he feels might have been failings in the way she dealt with him?

If he does go to a new counsellor, maybe he could see what a different counsellor is like and might feel more like making an official comment (not necessarily a complaint but just lodging his/your reservations about how she behaved while his counsellor)?

I hope things start to improve now he has a new counsellor and is approaching things differently. I think you need some individual support too as you seem to be dealing with a lot by yourself.

LauriefairycakeeatsCupid · 25/03/2009 09:46

If he has got the therapist through the GP then she should be qualified. Also check if they're accredited - in order to be so they will have had to complete 3-5 further years (about 600 hours) of client work.

You can check that on the BACP website.

hobbgoblin · 25/03/2009 09:47

You know what? I think he is bullshitting.

imgoingtodoit · 25/03/2009 09:47

Oh, angry. i didn't want to let your mega post go unanswered.

counselling is a minefield. Was counsellor bound by the British Association for couselling and psychotherapy code of ethics abnd registered with them?

She should not be putting interpretations on what he says, but helping him find his own interpretations. This might not always be comfortable for you, but shouldn't be destructive, as this sounds.

It's easy for him to latch onto just one aspect of what was said (regardless of what else was said,) and hear what he wants to hear. Remember also, youre hearing what she said filtered through his (fragile, defensive and self-preserving) self and then your own (also fragile, defensive and self-preserving) self.

Do get some counselling for yourself. Also, remember cbt is often not appropriate for situations which stem from childhood issues and patterns of behaviour. These need to be re-experienced and worked through. That said, I know it helps some people, but is not the be all and end all.

It's really hard supporting someone whos is depressed, and you need to look after yourself. Please get some help for yourself, it will at least help you deal with what has happened.

AngryatCounsellor · 25/03/2009 09:47

Thank you everyone

Laurie, I'm not sure that she said that, but she certainly praised him for doing it

Oh God, I really hope that this is the answer. That there is an actual reason why he has been so terrible.

She certainly has not kept to the 10 session rule (they've had at least 30, probably more)

I'm in a much stronger place now because I do have external support confirming my right to feel what I feel.

DH had also been able to say the words "You are entitled and right to feel what you feel and I have put you through hell for the past few months" and then he stayed when I was sad, and held me. He even admitted that taking responsibility rather than making excuses was a huge relief.

I'm really trying not to get my hopes up too much (anyone getting that I already have ) but there is hope.

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hobbgoblin · 25/03/2009 09:50

I was in exactly the same situation pretty much. It is classic. I hope I'm wrong but this is so typical of the behaviour of the man you describe all through your other posts, it is what I saw and you really need not to let your guard down.

AngryatCounsellor · 25/03/2009 09:51

Too slow again!

He takes full responsibility for when he came off his ADs (TC you're too clever ) and his counsellor was against his actions too.

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hobbgoblin · 25/03/2009 09:52

As a test, tell DH you are angry and let him do the complaining ON HIS OWN and see how far it gets.

AngryatCounsellor · 25/03/2009 09:53

hobbgoblin, I'm trying not to. I really am. I know I want it to work and stupid emotions do cloud everything.

I do have some support now and I'm not as vulnerable as I was. If he is bullshitting then at least I know I have done all I can.

I really hope he isn't though.

And I know that rationally I may be being really thick about all this.

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AngryatCounsellor · 25/03/2009 09:55

It would certainly be a way of discovering the truth. I may well do that Hobb

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