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The only reason why I don't is because of my mum

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Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 19:09

I'd like to end my life and have felt like this for a long time but I know my mum would be very upset. If you're a mum, I'd like your opinion. If I write her a letter explaining that I couldn't continue a life of pain and torture and I will be at peace and wont suffer anymore, do you think that in time she will be able to accept this and she would be okay? As opposed to her watching me feel suicidal forever which causes her pain every day.

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Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:24

Prinnny · 28/07/2023 21:19

Mental health services are shit. Does your mum know how serious you are about this?

My DH was/is in a really bad place, scarred by childhood trauma, he’s spoken about suicide, at first I was angry and horrified
but over time, after every failed GP appointment and new drug or talking therapy I could see how much he was in pain and said if he couldn’t fight any longer I wouldn’t be mad, I just wanted him to be at peace and happy whether that’s in this world or not. I think hearing that made him felt heard. Thankfully he’s still fighting his battle but I see how hard it is everyday so I admire you OP for keeping going.

No, I don't want her to try and talk me out of it. She lives hundreds of miles away so if I told her tonight this is what I am planning to do, she'd turn up at my door and I don't want that. I dont want her to be here. I just want to slip away on my own and have been looking at and researching into methods of how to do so with the least pain involved and the most guarantee of success.
That's how I hope she'd feel, the way you explain and want me to be happy and at peace whether that was in this world or not and I have realised that it is not possible in this world.

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Prinnny · 28/07/2023 21:27

Ah I think you really need to talk to her, I think I only feel like I do because of the talks we’ve had and I see how hard he’s tried and the pain he’s in. If I didn’t know that I could easily feel angry or blame myself. Please reach out to those you love and don’t make a rash decision tonight. You and your family deserve more than that.

Brokendaughter · 28/07/2023 21:30

My aunt lost her oldest son suddenly & unexpectedly as a young man in his early 20s.
She never got over it really, but tried to put on a brave face.

She went on to lose her youngest son before he hit 30 - different cause but in similar circumstances completely without warning.

She is now dead herself, but til the day she died, she was crushed by the loss.
Her smile was at best brittle for the rest of her life.

They didn't kill themselves, or put themselves in risky situations, they just died young.

Burying one son nearly broke her.
I think burying two actually did.

Needlepointy · 28/07/2023 21:30

I've been there. It does get better. You need to reach put for help. Phone your GP and tell them. Or go to A and E and explain. There is help out there, I can assure you.

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:31

Needlepointy · 28/07/2023 21:30

I've been there. It does get better. You need to reach put for help. Phone your GP and tell them. Or go to A and E and explain. There is help out there, I can assure you.

I've been to my GP and A&E multiple times. It hasn't changed anything.

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Dombasle · 28/07/2023 21:34

Why can't you ask to be sectioned?

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:34

Prinnny · 28/07/2023 21:27

Ah I think you really need to talk to her, I think I only feel like I do because of the talks we’ve had and I see how hard he’s tried and the pain he’s in. If I didn’t know that I could easily feel angry or blame myself. Please reach out to those you love and don’t make a rash decision tonight. You and your family deserve more than that.

I just think it'll cause her more worry and the outcome is going to be the same.
I cannot see any way at all that I can continue to live in this life of absolute torment, torture and misery. I go to sleep every night praying that I do not wake.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:40

I'm so so sorry you're going through this. I can only imagine what you've been through must have been so tough and I hope you're proud of yourself for getting up and going forward and getting through each day.

I wonder if there is a support group for the traumatic thing you went through, like a survivors group.

IF you decide this is what you want, I wonder if there is anything you'd like to do or experience first? Your user name said I need a holiday is there any way you could book this? Or any treats you can get yourself? This won't make your problems go away but You have nothing to lose so you can treat housefly very kindly, as you would your closest loved one.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:40

To answer your question though no your mum will never get over it I'm afraid she loves you so so so much xxx

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:42

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:40

I'm so so sorry you're going through this. I can only imagine what you've been through must have been so tough and I hope you're proud of yourself for getting up and going forward and getting through each day.

I wonder if there is a support group for the traumatic thing you went through, like a survivors group.

IF you decide this is what you want, I wonder if there is anything you'd like to do or experience first? Your user name said I need a holiday is there any way you could book this? Or any treats you can get yourself? This won't make your problems go away but You have nothing to lose so you can treat housefly very kindly, as you would your closest loved one.

There is. I went on a course regarding this. I am still absolutely traumatised and broken. No, I don't think so I just want to get my affairs in order and I have a pet so just need to think about who could look after him when I go.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:42

Please call a helpline like Samaritan's or papyrus though to talk through how you're feeling right now - the people on here are kind but not trained to help x

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:45

What kind of pet to you have?

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:47

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:45

What kind of pet to you have?

It doesn't matter.

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brokenbitbybit · 28/07/2023 21:51

@Inneedofaholiday22 it does matter, because he loves you too

PineapplePlum · 28/07/2023 21:51

OP I’m going to give you a somewhat different answer. Actually I’m not giving you an answer at all because there is no good answer. It’s so easy for all of these people to tell you don’t do it, the world needs you, it will get better. They think because they or their brother or best friend has been depresssed and gotten through it that you can too. And you probably can. But the truth is none of us know what comes after death so how can we say for sure that suicide is always worse?

My sister has has depression and anxiety since her teens, exacerbated in the last 12 years by physical illness and unthinkable trauma. With the right support many people in my sister’s position could learn to cope but nothing has helped her. She’s had every kind of therapy you can think of, including CBT, DBT, hypnotherapy, mindfulness, transcranial brain stimulation, even ECT. She’s seen countless doctors and tried every antidepressant available including cannabis and ketamine, which are both available legally where she lives but highly experimental. Our family has sacrificed an enormous amount to pay for all of this but the money is the least of it. The emotional, logistical and practical impact for her and for those who care for her is indescribable. I have my own life, career and family but it is all shaped by the constant fear and responsibility of managing my sister’s
condition, especially now that our mum is getting older and less able to cope. I don’t resent my sister in any way, I love her and we are so proud of her for putting in so much effort to get better. But I‘m no longer absolutely certain that this is easier than the alternative.

Years ago when my sister first mentioned suicide I would just cry and say all of the things PPs have said to you. I told her it would destroy me and our mum, that we needed her, and that if she just hung in there it would eventually get better. At the time I believed those things but I’m not sure I do anymore. And even if things do get better I don’t know that it would be enough to balance the hell she is going through every day. It’s easy for me to tell her all of the things she should do differently but the truth is she is nearly 40 and hasn’t held down a steady job or had a real relationship in over a decade. With her health issues and PTSD it’s looking less and less likely that she ever will. At this point it honestly feels selfish of me to ask her to keep going through it just because I don’t want to lose her. Who am I to keep telling her she is strong enough to get through this and capable of changing? I always thought suicide should be avoided at any cost but I wonder now if it can be a rational response to deeply painful circumstances. If my sister had terminal cancer and wanted to go to Dignitas I would take her there myself. Obviously this is different and as long as there is a chance of her getting better I can’t condone her suicide and certainly would never facilitate it. But realistically as time goes on I wonder how different this really is from a painful terminal physical illness. I have not said this to my sister and I probably never will. And I can’t know how I will actually feel if she does end her life.

I am in no way telling you it’s ok to take your own life. That’s not mine to say and I certainly can’t speak for your family members. I know if it happens for my sister I will be devastated and I will never get over it. But the truth is I already am devastated. I will continue to do everything in my power to keep my sister around but if she can’t handle it anymore I will try to see it from her perspective and hopefully someday forgive her. Whether I will be able to I don’t know.

I know this is a lot and I’m not really saying anything except that I understand that this is much more complicated than most PPs seem to understand.

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:55

PineapplePlum · 28/07/2023 21:51

OP I’m going to give you a somewhat different answer. Actually I’m not giving you an answer at all because there is no good answer. It’s so easy for all of these people to tell you don’t do it, the world needs you, it will get better. They think because they or their brother or best friend has been depresssed and gotten through it that you can too. And you probably can. But the truth is none of us know what comes after death so how can we say for sure that suicide is always worse?

My sister has has depression and anxiety since her teens, exacerbated in the last 12 years by physical illness and unthinkable trauma. With the right support many people in my sister’s position could learn to cope but nothing has helped her. She’s had every kind of therapy you can think of, including CBT, DBT, hypnotherapy, mindfulness, transcranial brain stimulation, even ECT. She’s seen countless doctors and tried every antidepressant available including cannabis and ketamine, which are both available legally where she lives but highly experimental. Our family has sacrificed an enormous amount to pay for all of this but the money is the least of it. The emotional, logistical and practical impact for her and for those who care for her is indescribable. I have my own life, career and family but it is all shaped by the constant fear and responsibility of managing my sister’s
condition, especially now that our mum is getting older and less able to cope. I don’t resent my sister in any way, I love her and we are so proud of her for putting in so much effort to get better. But I‘m no longer absolutely certain that this is easier than the alternative.

Years ago when my sister first mentioned suicide I would just cry and say all of the things PPs have said to you. I told her it would destroy me and our mum, that we needed her, and that if she just hung in there it would eventually get better. At the time I believed those things but I’m not sure I do anymore. And even if things do get better I don’t know that it would be enough to balance the hell she is going through every day. It’s easy for me to tell her all of the things she should do differently but the truth is she is nearly 40 and hasn’t held down a steady job or had a real relationship in over a decade. With her health issues and PTSD it’s looking less and less likely that she ever will. At this point it honestly feels selfish of me to ask her to keep going through it just because I don’t want to lose her. Who am I to keep telling her she is strong enough to get through this and capable of changing? I always thought suicide should be avoided at any cost but I wonder now if it can be a rational response to deeply painful circumstances. If my sister had terminal cancer and wanted to go to Dignitas I would take her there myself. Obviously this is different and as long as there is a chance of her getting better I can’t condone her suicide and certainly would never facilitate it. But realistically as time goes on I wonder how different this really is from a painful terminal physical illness. I have not said this to my sister and I probably never will. And I can’t know how I will actually feel if she does end her life.

I am in no way telling you it’s ok to take your own life. That’s not mine to say and I certainly can’t speak for your family members. I know if it happens for my sister I will be devastated and I will never get over it. But the truth is I already am devastated. I will continue to do everything in my power to keep my sister around but if she can’t handle it anymore I will try to see it from her perspective and hopefully someday forgive her. Whether I will be able to I don’t know.

I know this is a lot and I’m not really saying anything except that I understand that this is much more complicated than most PPs seem to understand.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope that one day my mum will understand and forgive me.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:56

brokenbitbybit · 28/07/2023 21:51

@Inneedofaholiday22 it does matter, because he loves you too

Yes he does. I was thinking if you have a dog maybe you could take him on a little adventure somewhere he'd like to go like a beach x

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:56

brokenbitbybit · 28/07/2023 21:51

@Inneedofaholiday22 it does matter, because he loves you too

No he doesn't, he's unhappy too. Living with me makes him unhappy.

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Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:56

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:56

Yes he does. I was thinking if you have a dog maybe you could take him on a little adventure somewhere he'd like to go like a beach x

It's not a dog.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/07/2023 21:59

PineapplePlum · 28/07/2023 21:51

OP I’m going to give you a somewhat different answer. Actually I’m not giving you an answer at all because there is no good answer. It’s so easy for all of these people to tell you don’t do it, the world needs you, it will get better. They think because they or their brother or best friend has been depresssed and gotten through it that you can too. And you probably can. But the truth is none of us know what comes after death so how can we say for sure that suicide is always worse?

My sister has has depression and anxiety since her teens, exacerbated in the last 12 years by physical illness and unthinkable trauma. With the right support many people in my sister’s position could learn to cope but nothing has helped her. She’s had every kind of therapy you can think of, including CBT, DBT, hypnotherapy, mindfulness, transcranial brain stimulation, even ECT. She’s seen countless doctors and tried every antidepressant available including cannabis and ketamine, which are both available legally where she lives but highly experimental. Our family has sacrificed an enormous amount to pay for all of this but the money is the least of it. The emotional, logistical and practical impact for her and for those who care for her is indescribable. I have my own life, career and family but it is all shaped by the constant fear and responsibility of managing my sister’s
condition, especially now that our mum is getting older and less able to cope. I don’t resent my sister in any way, I love her and we are so proud of her for putting in so much effort to get better. But I‘m no longer absolutely certain that this is easier than the alternative.

Years ago when my sister first mentioned suicide I would just cry and say all of the things PPs have said to you. I told her it would destroy me and our mum, that we needed her, and that if she just hung in there it would eventually get better. At the time I believed those things but I’m not sure I do anymore. And even if things do get better I don’t know that it would be enough to balance the hell she is going through every day. It’s easy for me to tell her all of the things she should do differently but the truth is she is nearly 40 and hasn’t held down a steady job or had a real relationship in over a decade. With her health issues and PTSD it’s looking less and less likely that she ever will. At this point it honestly feels selfish of me to ask her to keep going through it just because I don’t want to lose her. Who am I to keep telling her she is strong enough to get through this and capable of changing? I always thought suicide should be avoided at any cost but I wonder now if it can be a rational response to deeply painful circumstances. If my sister had terminal cancer and wanted to go to Dignitas I would take her there myself. Obviously this is different and as long as there is a chance of her getting better I can’t condone her suicide and certainly would never facilitate it. But realistically as time goes on I wonder how different this really is from a painful terminal physical illness. I have not said this to my sister and I probably never will. And I can’t know how I will actually feel if she does end her life.

I am in no way telling you it’s ok to take your own life. That’s not mine to say and I certainly can’t speak for your family members. I know if it happens for my sister I will be devastated and I will never get over it. But the truth is I already am devastated. I will continue to do everything in my power to keep my sister around but if she can’t handle it anymore I will try to see it from her perspective and hopefully someday forgive her. Whether I will be able to I don’t know.

I know this is a lot and I’m not really saying anything except that I understand that this is much more complicated than most PPs seem to understand.

I think you're right that all of us aren't properly trained to give advice other than answer the question about how a mum would feel. Sending you lots of love OP and I'm so so sorry that you have been through such tough things, you didn't deserve them to happen to you xx

nealjacob53 · 28/07/2023 22:00

my eldest son died 25 years ago and i know he was extremely unhappy, he died from an overdose, there is not 1 day that i dont think about him, please dont do this ,your mother will never be truly happy again sending love x

Eyesopenwideawake · 28/07/2023 22:03

Trauma/PTSD responds very well to remedial hypnosis (as opposed to hypnotherapy) because the mind is trying to make sense of something so random there is no sense to be made. Letting it go is the only possible option.

StarDolphins · 28/07/2023 22:11

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 21:56

No he doesn't, he's unhappy too. Living with me makes him unhappy.

I’m sure your mind is convincing you that living with you makes him unhappy, I’m betting this isn’t the case. Your mum will never ever get over losing her child, I know I wouldn’t & I would always (rightly or wrongly) blame myself.

My Mum lost her mum when she was 7 (slowly to cancer) cancer & she was left with her dad who was emotionally awful to her, she was then raped in a park by a stranger at 14 (told no one because she thought her dad wouldn’t care). Then spent the next nearly 30 years depressed & an alcoholic- had alsorts of nhs in/outpatient treatment. Nothing worked. Until she found a great private therapist who just got her, took ages but she ended up so much better.

Please, give it one last shot. Find(pay?) a great therapist to try. You’re so important & your mum & your pet need you. It can get better.

Inneedofaholiday22 · 28/07/2023 22:14

StarDolphins · 28/07/2023 22:11

I’m sure your mind is convincing you that living with you makes him unhappy, I’m betting this isn’t the case. Your mum will never ever get over losing her child, I know I wouldn’t & I would always (rightly or wrongly) blame myself.

My Mum lost her mum when she was 7 (slowly to cancer) cancer & she was left with her dad who was emotionally awful to her, she was then raped in a park by a stranger at 14 (told no one because she thought her dad wouldn’t care). Then spent the next nearly 30 years depressed & an alcoholic- had alsorts of nhs in/outpatient treatment. Nothing worked. Until she found a great private therapist who just got her, took ages but she ended up so much better.

Please, give it one last shot. Find(pay?) a great therapist to try. You’re so important & your mum & your pet need you. It can get better.

I've paid for a private therapist weekly for over a year. It hasn't made anything better. She is one in a very long line of counsellors and therapists over the last 15 years, both nhs and private.

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Didiplanthis · 28/07/2023 22:14

Dombasle · 28/07/2023 21:34

Why can't you ask to be sectioned?

You can't ask to be sectioned... if you are sectioned you are detained against your will under a section of the mental health act.. usually section 2, sometimes 136 depending on circumstances.. if you are asking for it, its not against your will,... you are asking for voluntary admission... thats not a section...