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Loss of my Children

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TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 15/01/2021 04:10

How will I recover from the loss of my Children to my ExH in a residency case? I was their main carer when we were married and even more so, as he moved a long way away, after we divorced. I don't know who I am without this role in their life.

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Coyoacan · 15/01/2021 04:17

Will you be seeing them every other weekend?

TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 15/01/2021 04:22

2 1/2 w/es in 4.

They will live in a different City.

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Coyoacan · 15/01/2021 12:20

Can you move to their city to be closer to them?

I haven't had that experience, but I think my reaction would depend on whether or not I trusted their father to do a good job.

If I trusted that they were being well looked after, I would make sure I was there for them on the days when I got to see them and the rest of my time, I would enjoy my freedom.

Honeybobbin · 15/01/2021 12:25

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Santaiscovidfree · 15/01/2021 12:26

Me and exh were supposed to share dc. In reality I had to beg and compromise to see them at all. Can you keep in touch via their own phones? I battled until they were 12 and 14 and they walked out his door (came to me) and never looked back. They were tough years. Missed loads. We have spent the last 4 years catching up. Our relationship wasn't irretrievable...

Worldwide2 · 15/01/2021 14:28

Omg that sounds heartbreaking I'm so sorry. 🙁 How did he get custody if you were their main carer?

TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 14:34

It's really hard because, even when we were together, he worked away, so I did all the day-to-day stuff.

When he left, he became permanently based 4 1/2 hours away, taking them EOW to Family an hour from me for contact.

If I moved to the same City, there is no guarantee I would see more of them, unless I applied for a variation of the Order in a year or two. It would almost certainly end my relationship (he has a role which is very specific to this City), take me away from my support network and have a knock-on effect on my job (I was at home with the Children for 11 years, so my prospects are rather limited and I have rather fallen on my feet with this Employer in terms of understanding). Brutally, without the Tax Credits, I can't really afford to live: rent plus bills amd maintenence doesn't leave anything for petrol or food or the Children in my care. The only long-term way seems to be for my and my BF to combine households, so long as we can make the accommodation work for up-to 6 Children at a time. It all seems very bleak.

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TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 14:35

Their Father has never had day-to-day care of them. I think he is going to be surprised at how full-on it is. At the moment, he is unemployed but, presumably, won't be able to stay like that for long.

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Bluntness100 · 16/01/2021 14:36

Why have you lost them op? This is quite unusual really, there must be more to this?

CoolCovidCat · 16/01/2021 14:55

What was the reason for him being given custody? This would only usually happen if the mother was a drug addict, neglecting the children, or extremely mentally unwell.

Bluntness100 · 16/01/2021 15:04

Op have you posted about this before under a different user name? There is something I’m trying to remember about a poster who was only allowed supervised contact with her children twice a month anc rhey lived a distance away,

I’m struggling to remember why though, there was a reason for it.

TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 15:57

That wasn't me, @Bluntness100. I have posted a little under another name before but about the Court case. My contact isn't supervised and I have a "live with" Order.

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TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 16:07

There is, of course, more, but it has taken a while to write and to summarise.

The short story is that my mental health buckled a year of two after my ExH left me, on top of a stillbirth a few years earlier. It manifested itself as hoarding. SS got involved, but, at no time did they ever start any process to remove the Children.

I had gone back to work, as my ExH wasn't paying what he should have in Child Maintenance, having stayed at home with then by mutual agreement. He defaulted on the joint mortgage without notice so I ended up in Court and took it on to provide stability for my Children, but it was all very tight. He chopped and changed contact ... all the time, I was dealing with four Children under 9 when he left. They had 100% attendance at School, were clean and looked-after and three of them are very high achievers educationally, e.g. getting into a Grammar School.

It is really difficult to feel positive about SS when they take 7 months to refer you to specialist hoarding support then, in Court say it didn't deal enough with how the hoarding affected the Children and that it is too short a time to see you have really changed. Anyway, since I have had help with that, and related loss counselling, a trigger, both my mind and my house have been transformed, even under Covid (which has inevitably made disposal of things harder).

The Judge's assessment was the my ExH could provide more stability for them. His role in the pressures I struggled under wasn't commented on at all, nor his "hands-off" approach for over four years as I struggled alone.

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TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 16:08

It was private proceedings, i.e. he brought the case.

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TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 16:14

My initial question was "How do I deal with this?'. Who am I? What is my role? Am I this awful that I have lost residency? What has been the point of the last fifteen years? Why is no one holding my ExH to account for his unhelpful actions? How do I process this loss and grief for a third time (after my stillbirth and marriage breakdown)? How can I even survive financially?

Obviously, the state of the house and associated difficulties let the Children down but I feel like none of the good I did has been acknowldged and that I (and the Children) are both being punished (they don't want to move Schools and Friends) when, e.g. had their Father been a more supportive co-parent, even if SS had encouraged him to take his responsibilities seriously rather than, as it seems, pitting us against each other, I almost certainly wouldn't have been swamped by the same pressures.

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desperatelyseeking1 · 16/01/2021 16:15

I'm sorry OP this sounds sad.

How old were your kids when they were moved to a residence order with your ex?

I'm surprised a court would rule to take 4 small kids away from their mother they have always lived with just on the basis of more stability. Did the judge mean financial stability?

Can you appeal? I think you should if you feel the children are fine living with you. You can find a charity law firm who can take the case on for a cheaper cost. Did CAFCASS get involved?

LIZS · 16/01/2021 16:19

Presumably your dc are now of an age to have a say in where they live. What is your relationship like with them? Hard though it will be you need to put aside your negativity about your ex behaviour, especially in front of them, and be positive about building a future including them. Do you have someone in rl to support you.

TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 16:32

@desperatelyseeking1 7, 9, 12, 14: last week.

I'm waiting for advice from my Barrister re: an appeal, but she went straight into a ten-day case.

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TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 16:33

No, it was stability to repair the damage the Court says they suffered in my care due to the hoarding.

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Santaiscovidfree · 16/01/2021 16:55

Yabu to think your relationship and role cannot recover op..
I suffered ptsd symptoms post split and 4 years of court proceedings.. The dc became victims of neglect while with exh extended times. Obviously ss and Cafcass showed zero interest in my reports. . Sadly I had to wait until dc could make their own choice to be with me. Your exh is in for a big shock being a 24/7 df... Be patient op....
You aren't a bad dm or a bad person.

Bluntness100 · 16/01/2021 17:01

@TeeteringontheedgeofLife

No, it was stability to repair the damage the Court says they suffered in my care due to the hoarding.
Ah, yes that was it, it’s the hoarding. That triggered it. He wanted photos you were living in conditions suitable for the kids to be in and you didn’t wish to keep sending photos and wanted to know if he could make that request. I think uou said you’d come a long way and sought lots of help.
FelicityPike · 16/01/2021 17:03

You’re still their mum! You always will be.
You just need to concentrate on getting your mental health stable and create the best home for your children that you can.
Do you work?
Will you be providing your children with maintenance?

Joeytribbianiz · 16/01/2021 17:04

I would look at this as temporary and reapply for more contact as soon as you possibly can. In the meantime keep your house as clean and clutter-free as possible and keep engaging with MH support.

Quite frankly, I had a hoarder for a mother, and even though it never met the threshold for social services involvement it affected me terribly, it is extremely difficult to live with a hoarder. It must have been quite bad for SS to be involved. To be frank, one of the hallmarks of hoarding is that hoarders don't have any insight into their condition, it's extremely difficult to get a hoarder to even agree that they are a hoarder. Have you 100% faced up to the extent of your condition and are you receiving ongoing support?

TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 18:09

@Joeytribbianiz the Judge has madebir clear this is to be their last move for some time. My house has not slipped back during this process. Unfortunately, as I detailed above, I cannot afford to live alone without the tax credits I got so I am not quite sure what base I will have.

Its very frustrating because the hoarding specialist I am working with has testified to my level of awareness and how far that has come along since she has been working with me. I am linked in with her for as long as I need.

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TeeteringontheedgeofLife · 16/01/2021 18:11

@FelicityPike I do work. I will be paying maintenence, although do so will.mean I can't afford to rent somewhere. Once what my ExH owes in arrears has been worked-out, what I will need to pay will be off-set against that.

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