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Need to talk to someone - deeply unhappy, not depressed?

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LeonardHatred · 27/10/2019 14:31

Hi, I wasn't sure where to post this as I don't think it's mental health issue in the traditional sense. I'm hoping someone can relate or has some advice but if someone has come through this I don't think they'd be on the mental health board, so Chat it is...

Basically, I'm sort of suicidal. I'm not actively about to do anything, but I've been weighing it up for a number of years. Its a case of everyday life being too painful and difficult to carry on.

The problem with this is that it's not really recognised by the mental health system/psychiatry - suicide is expected to a be a fairly sudden, irrational thing. It's viewed as attention-seeking to be suicidal in an ongoing way/seeking help for such - assumed you don't mean it etc.

The other problem is that it psychiatry actually can't fix this, even if they wanted to. My feelings result from my circumstances, and to some extent past experiences (although the latter can be addressed). I'm really hoping someone can understand and not just tell me to see my GP.

I know from experience that I feel an awful lot better when I feel I belong - a very rare experience for me. It's a basic human need to belong - part of our nature, and causes problems when people are isolated. I have spent most of my life looking for a place I belong and not found it. As I get older (I'm mid 30s) this is harder, as people "belong" in their families and do not have the same close knit friendships of their 20s. I do not have a family (that hurts too).

I have had bad life experiences, and been very alone dealing with them. I think I am strong to have got this far. However, I think it means I have an even greater need to belong now.

Actually, I feel like things have been so bad that I need to be really loved to be ok now. I thought this before, but assumed it wouldnt happen. Then I had the experience of being with a wonderful man for just under a year. Kind, thoughtful, gentle and loving. It really did something to me. Healing. (I'd never experienced these feelings/a nice bf before.)
But the incredible feeling of being safe, loved wanted, belonging.

It's gone. It's been 2 months and I'm no closer to coping without that. Or rather, I cope, but I'm so very, very aware of the strength and hope his love gave me, and with my life, my struggles, I don't see how I can actually fulfil my potential or be happy without that.

Perhap I should have mentioned before, that around 2 years ago I told myself I would wait one more year before ending my life. Realy throw myself extra hard into anything that might help (I already lived in a way of trying to improve things), trying to make new friends, etc.

I had a funny feeling there was going to be a surprise. Never would have imagined the way he appeared out of the blue and I unexpectedly fell in love with him. But yeh.

I dont want to sound like I think everyone needs a man. I don't think like that, have always been independent and single is my default setting. I've always found it annoying and think it's unhelpful for society the way people couple off and the singles get left out.

However, I just don't actually see for me personally, in my circumstances, a way to be ok and fulfil my potential without the healing support of the love one gets in a healthy close relationship. It's really irritating becuase it's not something I can work on and fix - I need seriously good luck!

I should also mention that I was diagnosed with autism last year (I pushed for assessment). I'm really on the edge of things - I pass as neurotypical. I can read subtle body language. (It's the WHY not the WHAT that confuses me!) I can work my way around the room chatting to almost anyone - superficially able socially. But I never quite belong. I love making people laugh and humour is a big thing for me, not apparent in this post I admit.

I've been through a lot due to undiagnosed autism and therefore being misunderstood by the mental health services I repeatedly sought help from. I haven't had a job for years, currently I study part-time online (psych degree, ironically...). I have friends but not a lot and either I can't be honest with them or they wouldn't understand. I've learnt to have fairly superficial friendships in order not to scare people off. I'm still friends with my ex and he is the one exception to all this (weirdly he is similar but has closer friends dotted round country). I feel I've lost eveything I once hoped for in my life but the experiece of being properly loved showed me I could do much more when loved and supported.

Im sorry this is so long, just really hoping I've missed something, or someone can relate and has got out of this state.

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LeonardHatred · 28/10/2019 13:30

It's really sad to know others feel like this too, but also really nice not to be alone in having these thoughts/feelings.

Frustrating that we can't all join together and be the network of thinky-feely people, as I term them/us.

If that hasn't outed me, this will: I'm in the north east UK.

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BeetrootBasil · 28/10/2019 23:04

Have you heard of RSD? The flipside is Recognition Responsive Euphoria. Both resonate with your posts.

springydaff · 29/10/2019 00:40

I'm the very opposite end of the country to you op!

Did anyone mention exercise? I recently had to cycle around because I didn't have a car for a few months - the difference to my MH was astonishing! I've always known that exercise is good for MH but the difference was truly miraculous.

I do think that depression/low mood/whatever you want to call it can make things so very bleak - what is not great, quite a challenge, can become unbearable. Do bear that in mind xx

springydaff · 29/10/2019 01:22

In fact, following on from the spiritual suggestion I made, above, I think it's important to address the 3 strands: physical, spiritual, emotional. I think it's too easy to get stuck in one to the detriment of the other two. They all need addressing

LeonardHatred · 30/10/2019 12:29

The pain is very strong today. Today it seems logical to leave this world. I dont think I belong here. I am so confused what to do.

I wish I could have a hug and be loved, more than anything.

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NameChangedNoImagination · 30/10/2019 13:29

Hi Leonard. I'm here. Chat to me if you'd like. What are your thoughts, your feelings?

springydaff · 30/10/2019 13:45

Hi Leonard, I'm here too. Read the thread again - you're not alone with this, many of us feel as you do. It's just intense at the moment - wait for it to pass. It will pass, always does xxx

LeonardHatred · 30/10/2019 13:56

The strange thing is, if I was dead people would be sad and say nice things. Some people would actually really mean it. But there's not really a way to channel all their "if only" feelings and say I need them now so I'm not dead.

That sounds very wrong even typing it.

Only my ex knows how to help now, last time he held me and let me cry for ages and told me I was safe. Im not sure why i'm not allowed that now but it really hurts because I never had anyone know just what to do before.
Im so sorry

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applesandpears33 · 30/10/2019 14:13

I'm here too. Offering virtual hugs. Why are you saying sorry? You have nothing to say "sorry" for. These people you are saying would be sad must care about you, or otherwise they wouldn't be sad. Is there anyone you can invite round for a coffee and a chat this afternoon?

springydaff · 30/10/2019 14:21

www.supportline.org.uk/problems/suicide/

Please give then a call xx

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 30/10/2019 14:35

I agree with you. The only time I've been truly happy was at uni, and my dad was paying for that. School and work are both miserable phases.

I picked an academic subject for uni so I'd get a "good" career, and I hate it. I mean, it's cushy, but I'm never going to be a high flier becayse I just do my job 9-5, doss around, and go home to sit in front of TV or do my hobby if not too tired. I wish I'd done my hobby as a degree, but I can't really afford nor risk re-training now. Plus that career is notoriously hard to get into and pays peanuts. My friendships are dwindling and people that I used to see every day at uni, I see maybe every 6 months now. My husband is my only proper friend really! I don't have anyone I can just ring up, or go for a cuppa with apart from my mum. I tend to fall out with female friends as all mine were quite needy and wanted daily chats e.t.c., which is too intense for me.

My parents have great fulfilling careers and don't really have any advice other than to stick with what I'm doing.

I wouldn't actually end my life because it would be horrible for my parents/husband, but if I could go back in time and tell my mum not to have me I would!

I don't see how I can "find" fulfillment in my life, as it's all well and good saying "go chase your dreams", but I also want to buy a house and pay off my mortgage.......I could have kids, but that would be super selfish, as I wouldn't want them to feel miserable like me about their life - and with my genes and the world being how it is, they probably will!

LilyMumsnet · 30/10/2019 17:41

Hi OP,

We’re so sorry to hear that you’re feeling like this. We wanted to share Mind's information with you – it has practical tips on what you can do when you feel like this and where to get urgent help. Maybe take a look and see if there’s anything which might be helpful right now.

Mind has an infoline - 0300 123 3393 - where you can talk to trained advisers who can look for details of help and support in your area.

Please do think about exploring some of the options in the link above. Samaritans are there for you too, 24/7, by emailing [email protected] or calling 116 123. You can also see the resources in our Mental Health webguide.

We hope you don't mind but we're going to move your thread over to our Mental Health topic, just because, as others have pointed out, AIBU isn't always the best place for sensitive advice and support.

Very best wishes from all at MNHQ. Flowers

springydaff · 30/10/2019 17:45

Bravo MNHQ 🌟

Much love Leonard ♥️

Footle · 30/10/2019 18:17

Thanks MNHQ for your sensitive explanation for moving the thread. I was really hoping you wouldn't delete it - it resonates with too many people for that.

Charley1988 · 31/10/2019 00:53

Hi Leonard - SO much I your thread resonates with what I've been through please feel free to PM me antytime

Charley1988 · 31/10/2019 04:55

Leonard I can totally relate to what you said about work colleagues and the demographic
issue. Of course it matters. And let's face it work places can be very claustrophobic.

Charley1988 · 31/10/2019 05:02

In July 2008 something traumatic happened to me I thought I was going to die at one point in late 2008. I wasn't working at the time, living with my elderly dad and in a bad situation. I never thought in the last half of 2008 that I'd work again and I thought I'd always be stuck living with my elderly father with no means to get out. Still I went on courses , lost a lot of weight and in Jan 2009 got a job and in April 2009 something VERY unexpectedly good happened and very much needed. By March 2010 something happened that I never thought would happen - in an amazing way and led to some wonderful years. Looking back I feel that sticking to my diet and losing weight during the dark times possibly helped with the VERY unexpectedly good things that happened. I don't know but I like to think that if you strive in dark times you'll be rewarded. Think you've had excellent advice upthresd - maybe it's a good idea to cling to hope even if it feels like a fantasy right now

Charley1988 · 31/10/2019 06:07

I feel very down at the moment as like you Leonard I've lost someone I loved very much. I find I'm looking back now to the time period 2008 - 2010 to give me a sense of hope. Some people may see this as living in the past but I think when you're down you must cling to anything that gives you hope. Maybe you could use your own personal 'version' of this O iyswim

Charley1988 · 31/10/2019 06:07

Sorry should say OP

LeonardHatred · 31/10/2019 13:03

Thank you all again.
GP etc can't/won't do anything but I ended up posting on FB and some people were very kind, saw a friend etc.

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springydaff · 31/10/2019 13:07

Good to hear from you Leonard 💐

I think you need to change your GP. Crisis team would have been appropriate xx

namechange4achange · 31/10/2019 13:21

@LeonardHatred I'm just here to say I love your user name! Just look around you :)

LeonardHatred · 31/10/2019 14:34

Thanks, namechange. (Thamechange. Grin)

springydaff GP (new) is very nice, and appalled at the lack of treatment/care I've received. She's been trying to convince the mental health team to do something, as for years I have been stuck in limbo between them and primary care services, with both services saying I'm the other's responsibility. Not sure what the latest is but will be speaking to her tomorrow. But she can't actually force them to do anything. Because I have autism they can say I'm "too complex" or "need specialist services" which don't exist...

I had spoken to the crisis team on Tuesday evening. They have an automated answeing system that says your call is important to them! So wrong it's almost funny (gallows humour style).

It was very lovely though very sad yesterday that a few people said such lovely things and came forward and didn't mind me being broken. A real new experience for me actually. I've been for a tiny walk in the sunshine and now nesting in a pile of blankets today.

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springydaff · 31/10/2019 15:14

That sounds snuggly 🧖

Have you tried the links, above? MNHQ posted some excellent links and info; I also posted a link to a suicide support line. Do give then a go xx

peardrops1 · 31/10/2019 22:28

Hi OP. I've been reading your posts, which are articulate and moving. You sound like a courageous person, and I'm so sorry you're so desperately unhappy. I agree that human connection is important, and it's crushing to feel you don't have it. (Though not uncommon, either; I don't say that to minimise your suffering, which is very real, but only to emphasise that there's nothing 'wrong' with you, or weird about you. You are an unhappy, suffering human.)

The Samaritans are brilliant, if you haven't tried them already. Of course they can't fix your life for you, but it's surprising how an empathetic, listening ear can alleviate your despair, at least for a while. Feeling isolated is so terrible. My heart goes out to you.