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MUMINAMILLION · 23/09/2004 10:36

Anytime I am asked this question, I immediately pin a smile on my face and say "Fine!". I dont want to scare people by how I really feel.

Anyway, I DO want to know how you all are today, so if you are not fine, then please say. But if you are - please say that too!!

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TraceyP · 23/09/2004 16:41

Oh, Peachypie, if you passed me in the street or even if you were one of my friends you would think that I was always happy and laid back too, but if you've read the rest of this thread you'll know that nothing could be further from the truth! Your comment about feeling better in the Summer is interesting - have you heard of Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) where depression kicks in when the bad weather comes? Apparently light therapy can be useful but I don't know where you would go for that. Your GP?

MUMINAMILLION · 23/09/2004 16:45

Yes, Ive heard of that too - never looked into it though. Moniker gave me a website to look at, but Ive just never had the time to properly. I'll try to do it tonight to see if there is any info on it. She may do a link for us all to be able to access it.

Hi Moniker!! Saw your thread. Glad you are keeping busy - is your computer up and running yet??

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ghengis · 23/09/2004 16:45

TraceyP, you need to go back to your gp now and get him to review the dose - 20mg is quite low and I think you may need more.

I do think you should tell him the full story - what's the worse that can happen? I bet you are not the only one he sees with this problem.

6 weeks is long enough to know that you shouldn't be feeling so low. Go back and see him and let him help you.

TraceyP · 23/09/2004 16:57

Thank you ghengis, yes, I know you're right, I'm not the silly moo I'm coming across as and I do know in my heart of hearts that the only thing to do is be completely honest with the doctor. It's what I would advise anyone else to do, so I don't know why I won't do it myself! I know I've been a moaner today but I do feel a bit better now - as I said earlier, I'm not feeleing quite so much like downing all the pills with a bottle of gin.

I know that I can't "cure" this thing on my own and I really do have to be honest with the doctor. I have to see him again in a couple of weeks and I'm really going to try to be honest with him. Someone suggested that I start another thread later asking for support to find the strength to do it, and I may well do that.

MTS · 23/09/2004 17:10

hello again everyone.

A few people have asked some questions to do with self-esteem and OCD/Depression. IMHO low self-esteem can be a precipitating factor for depression/OCD (if you don't like yourself very much/think you are too careless than you can end up overcompensating - e.g. thinking I am a careless irresponsible person - unless i wash my hands 50 times a day/check I have switched the cooker off until I am 100% sure, then something awful could happen which would all be my fault) , a symptom of depression (feelings of guilt and worthlessness), and low self-esteem can be worsened by suferring from depression/ (feelings of inadequacy, why can everyone else cope, what is wrong with me, why am I doing these stupid things, general stigma of mental illness). So I think low self-esteem is important to mental health issues as it can kick you in the teeth in so many ways.

MTS · 23/09/2004 17:16

TraceyP - i don't think it is impossible, but would be really very difficult, to significantly improve the OCD by yourself- but that would require you digesting a good self-help book and applying a behavioural program to yourself, which is very difficult. I know that I couldn't have done it without Prozac and my psychotherapist. If you do feel up to explaining things to your husband then I guess there are a few different approaches - printing off stuff from the web to give to him, giving him a book on OCD, or just trying to explain it to him yourself (maybe in terms of a phobia?)

TraceyP · 23/09/2004 17:28

MTS - I did try reading a self-help book but it put me off when it started banging on about the "inner child" and the "inner adult", and getting your "inner parent" to hug your "inner child". Freaked me out a bit. I know that's not the only self help book around and it's not CBT but I'm not sure I'm strong enough emotionally to do it all myself, gonna have to tell dh I think (aaargh)

MTS · 23/09/2004 17:35

Inner child - No No No No No No help whatsoever with OCD, and a real bete noir of mine. My GP refused to prescribe ADs when I was PG, refused to refer me to a psychiatrist and sent me off to the practice counsellor who tried to do inner child stuff with me Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for OCD is far more nuts and bolts and less airy fairy - the cognitive side of things with me was: looking at what sort of behaviour i thought a responsible mother would do, looking at how likely something bad would happen if I didn't give in to my compulsions, and getting me to judge myself less harshly - i.e. if it is ok for your best mate not to wash her hands a zillion times a day, why isn't it for you. the behavioural side of things is even more hands on than that - sort of a graded exposure programme to your fears - whether it be not washing your hands, not checking etc, not giving in to the compulsion when you feel the urge to - the idea being that once you have been through the initial surge of anxiety, you will feel better - and once your mind/body gets used to dealing with the anxiety, you will stop feeling as anxious - sort of a temporary increase in anxiety to get a permanent reduction in anxiety. it's all quite gradually done as well - baby steps to start off with. cognitive behaviour therapy can be used for all sorts of compulsions and obsessions - not just the obvious ones like checking and handwashing

MTS · 23/09/2004 17:38

In terms of self-help for OCD, I would strongly recommend anything by/coauthored by Lee Baer and the OCD Workbook. An excellent general book on OCD is Tormenting Thoughts and Secret Rituals by Ian Osborn.

TraceyP · 23/09/2004 18:06

I don't particularly feel anxious with my OCD. It's a funny one, I don't feel anything bad will happen if I don't do it, I just can't stop myself doing it. And it's not hand washing or checking, it's things in my head, so I can't stop it. I must say the CBT sounds more like the stuff I need.

MTS · 23/09/2004 18:10

you can still stop things in your head - although it doesn't seem to fit as neatly into the obsession/compulsion pattern as something like handwashing, I think that there is a compulsion to it in terms of how you deal with the thought - a good self help book will give some pointers on dealing with "thought" based OCD. There is an excellent book called "The Imp of the Mind" by Lee Baer to do with dealing with intrusive and/or unpleasant thoughts.

TraceyP · 23/09/2004 18:16

I'll have a look and see if I can get some of these books from the library. I sometimes wonder whether it's really OCD I've got, although I don't think it can be anything else. I count letters in words, spoken and written, and have to get to an even number or a 9 (makes reading a book difficult!), although it's OK when I speak or write, I get phrases and songs stuck in my head, I have to "even" things out in my mind, that sort of thing.

Told you I was a fruitcake

peachypie · 23/09/2004 18:17

hello im back, traceyp what kind of things in your head if you dont mind me asking that is?

mts- what you said about low self esteem and depression makes sense i dont suffer from ocd now but i may of had mild form some years ago thinking back,but not now now just have this feeling that i am un-lovable or unable to love another partner sucsessfully but i think that comes from the rejection i am feeling at the mo.

peachypie · 23/09/2004 18:19

crossed threads there.

MTS · 23/09/2004 18:35

TraceyP - just been having a quick look through a couple of books on OCD - the OCD Workbook doesn't appear to have anything in on counting.

Lee Baer (Getting Control) has this to say on Repeating Rituals and Counting Compulsions:-

Warning - about to do a lengthy quote about treatment of OCD - not likely to be very interesting to most people:-

"As with all OCD symptoms, in beginning behaviour therapy for repeating and counting problems you should get back in touch with what normal behaviour is. To help you set your long-term goals, ask two or three people you know well (including your helper) whether they would repeat the things you do or count the things you do. Usually people who don't have OCD repeat or count things only when they are very nervous or distracted. Picture the expectant father pacing back and forth in the waiting room, awaiting news of his newborn baby. He may also count the tiles on the floor, just trying to pass the time or keep his mind occupied. But if his attention is called to them, he can stop repeating or counting if you become aware of it.

The difference is that someone with OCD can't simply stop doing these things. One woman I treated had to wash each part of her body eleven times, with seven repetitions each time, or she would feel dirty. Another patient, after placing his eyeglasses on his night table, had to stare at them while counting to one thousand to reassure himself that he had not thrown them on the floor and broken them.

Exposure and response prevention are straightforward for counting and repeating rituals. First you identify the situations that trigger these rituals, such as reading a book. Then step-by-step, you expose yourself to these situations while resisting the urge to count or repeat actions for increasing periods of time afterward.

Probably the most important technique in exposure and response prevention for repeating and counting rituals is involving a helper in your practice. You'll greatly improve your chances of success if you work with a helper. If, once you confront the situations that trigger your rituals, you get stuck counting objects or repeating actions, your helper can remind you to stop this behaviour before you get caught in a loop that is difficult to break out of.

If you find that you go back and reread what you have already read, use the following technique, which was developed to teach speed-reading: point your index finger under the line you are reading and move it across the line; when you get to the end of the line, move your finger down to the next line and begin again. If the urge to reread something hits you, just continue following your finger down and across the page; since your finger is always moving, you won't be able to go back and reread. The urge will slowly subside if you continue this practice. With thought, you and your helper can come up with similar methods to help you with response prevention for your particular problems.

Your early practice goals should involve confronting situations that trigger these urges, while resisting the compulsions for increasing lengths of time. Start out resisting for only a few minutes if that is all you can handle. Later, as you succeed with these early practice goals, you can extend response prevention to the full one or two hours. ..........

As is true for many other OCD symptoms, the urges to perform your rituals are stronger during times of intense stress; if you do, you'll find they will subside again once the stress is past. "

TraceyP · 23/09/2004 18:40

MTS - Thank you, I've never seen anything about counting in any book before.

By the way, you've been so kind and helpful on these threads today - for which thank you - but how are you feeling today?

MTS · 23/09/2004 18:42

Hi Tracey, glad to be of use. I'm OK, mainly knackered after my holiday, and slightly frazzled as DS has been quite unsettled today - I think ditto knackered after the holiday!

TraceyP · 23/09/2004 18:44

Glad you're OK, don't let us moaning minnies get you down. I have to go now and probably won't be back tonight but I'll see you tomorrow. Get loads of rest!

Mosschops30 · 23/09/2004 18:48

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peachypie · 23/09/2004 18:52

mosschops you sound like your under some pressure want to talk about it?

go ahead we are listening, its very theraputic to get it off your chest.

Mosschops30 · 23/09/2004 18:57

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peachypie · 23/09/2004 19:16

mosschops dont dont feel like a freak they are prob thinking your bump is lovely. how wants to be living in stinky halls anyway? you say they are 18-20 are you older than them.
maybe dd bit stressed i was always c**p at my x's tables.

what are you studing?

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