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I'm trying not to dwell on this, but can't tonight

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Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 20:49

I'm supposed to feel better for this, but I don't. And I don't want to dwell in self-pity either. My mum doesn't want anything to do with me anymore. She came to see us on a week's holiday that was always going to be hard. There was her, her husband (don't say the word 'Stepdad'), my brother, my 17 year old niece and her friend. They were staying at an awkward time, Tues to Tues so the only gite I could find for them had them sharing a bedroom (divided into two by one of those dividery thingies) and my brother stayed with us. They had no car and we live in a remote place so every day, I packed the kids into the van and I took them to see the sites.

I noticed on the very day that they arrived that her husband (M for simplicity) was touching my niece the way only a boyfriend should, putting his hand up her back and rubbing it, touching her thigh and occasionally slapping her bottom. He's always been a bit slimey, he'll make a beeline for attractive young women on their own at parties, he makes inappropriate comments etc. I've never got on with him because he was a complete a utter bastard to me when I was a child and then a teenager, and he still likes to have his dig every now and then, acknowledging everyone but me, making sarcastic comments to me,etc. Anyway I asked her if she was ok with this and she said no, in her words; "I thought I was just being paranoid.... it's not what grandads do is it?" She also told me that he had taken her and her friend to one side and asked if they were planning to go topless on the beach. She said they were too uncomfortable to wear their bikini's on the beach now.

So I kept my eye on him and saw him touching her friend's bottom whilst pretending to get a bit of fluff off her skirt, looking at their boobs, stroking her thigh whilst tickling her. I phoned my sister to ask for advice and learn that my brother, the father of my niece, had his concerns about them all holidaying together because of this very thing. I was advised to speak to mum about it directly and ask her to tell him to take it easy. This I did on one of their last days so as not to create bad feeling. I did it as diplomatically as I could but she said that now I had turned it into a problem, it was just the way he was and she wished she could get away from us all sometimes.

Anyway they all went back and that was that. Two days later I get a phone call from my mum, she is crying so much I thought someone had died, as my younger brother had been in hospital before the holiday I was really frightened something had happened to him. But she managed to say to me inbetween hysterical sobbing "God forgive you for what you have done", she said again about wishing she could get away from us all and then she slammed the phone down. I call my brother who told me that my niece had told him what had gone on and he had spoken to mum about it too. She'd reacted much in the same way as she did with me when I first told her, but nothing more than that, so he was quite surprised when I mentioned the phone call. Since then I have heard that she is speaking to everyone, and he has apologised. But she has told people that God should still forgive me for what I have done, and I haven't heard from her since.

Part of me thought, goody, that's her out of my life. She is such a drama queen, she tries to tear the family apart and I suppose she is part of the reason I escaped to France. But another part is crying inside that she could do this to me when I only tried to do what I thought was best. Once again she has put M before us. She betrayed me throughout my childhood and now she is betraying me again.

There, now I have wrote it all down I hope I feel better! I'll get a beer. Thanks for listening.

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ebbie22 · 07/09/2005 20:54

Oh hun,dont know what to say other than im listerning xx

Katemum · 07/09/2005 20:56

You did what was right, wish someone had stepped in for me when I was vunerable. Shame on your mum for refusing to see what is right under her nose.

EvesBigFatMama · 07/09/2005 20:57

that sounds like a terrible position you were in
you DID do the right thing as these poor girls were either too frightend or worried to say anything.
if she is apologising to everyone he has felt at liberty to touch up, why is she being such a horrible person to you??...because you told her what she didnt want to hear i suspect, she can see that although your childhood was not happy with her, you have turned out level headed, compasionat and caring..you stuck your neck out for them, ferried them around, gave them a place to stay..all whilst caring for your 'own' family and then you helped these poor girls...she sounds jelous that you are such a well rounded adult and she's stuck with mr touchy feely!!...good on you i say..i know its hard not having close family around, but with family like your mum, she sounds like one hassle you could do without(we do!).

i think you are doing great if you didnt have such a good start and your mother sounds like she never grew up!..

phew..sorry, just got annoyed when you put out the red carpet for them and she reacted that way..

Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 21:02

Thank you so much. I have just thought and thought about it over and over again, did I do the right thing? Did I over-react to what might have been innocent fooling around (as my dh says)? Did a part of me crave revenge for the way he was, and still is, with me. Much as I know that I might be better off with her out of my life, it still hurts that she hasn't contacted me. I don't know what is being said my everyone behind my back, my sister is very supportive and she is keeping things from me I know. My niece feels that I have betrayed her trust by telling my mum, so I have written her a letter apologising and saying that I took action on what I saw, not what she told me.

Just wish I could forget about it all!

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EvesBigFatMama · 07/09/2005 21:08

firstly your niece will be embarred and because its been taken out of her hands she was scared.

i finally told the police what my father had been doing to me when i was 17 and it scared the s**t out of me and that was on my terms.

your sister is holding on to the nasty bits so as not to upset you..if we heard every little snide comment made about us we'd be no good..try not to dwell on that.

your mother(sorry i dont know your full story and what youve been through), sounds resentful and childish..i understand that you want a 'mum' and you probably keep going back for more everytime she lets you down because of this, but honestly, IME..it'll be better in the long run if you have some space..write to her too, explain what youve said here but dont apologise, tell her if she wishes to remain 'friends' she is welcome, but whilst the bongo drums are still banging, you will stay away as she is not the victim, nor should she point the finger at you as her husband is so obviously the one in the wrong...good luck..i really hope it works out for you

crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:23

You poor soul.

Search your soul - and think - would you act the same way again if you had to. My guess is YES and therefore you can rest assured that you are in the right.
Your neice is embarrassed and will come round as she will be aware that you acted in her best interests.

Don't think too badly of your mum ... although she might be more trouble than she's worth. She is probably worried about a ) being left on her own - if this all blew up but more to the point b ) what a shit this man is - and maybe she doesn't want to imagine what he did / might have done to you in your childhood.

Remember - however painful - sometimes it is better to cut loved ones out ( if only for a short time ) ... spend your energy on those who love you and bring you happiness.

You are absolutely doing the right thing .... {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 21:24

I know, but he hasn't gone beyond this touchy feely as far as I know, and he did all of this in full view of everyone, I'm astonished that no-one has said anything sooner. I never said he was a pervert, just inappropriate in his behaviour. Although I do think that his behaviour is worrying when he acts that way towards her friend too. He was acting like a jealous boyfriend at times, sulking on them when they got chatted up by boys, going up the wall when they were late back from a local disco - they are nearly 18 for Heaven's sake! I didn't like the situation one bit, but I never called the authorities nor did I tell my brother like my mum thinks I did. I didn't and haven't said he is a pervert.

Mum and I have got on fine in the past, I could have conversations with her, etc. She would buy the kids things, send me money. When she was here she offered to buy us a fridge freezer. But it's not her money I want, just pride in what we have done, compliments, love, you know stuff like that. She has betrayed each and every one of us at some time or another, she has put her own needs before ours, she revels in our crises. At the Church she is seen as a living saint because of the children she has fostered and the stuff she does for the Church, but those foster children always came before us, and every good thing she does, is known by everyone. If she had bought us a fridge freezer the whole family and friends would know about it and she would rest easy thinking that she had done her bit for me.

I don't want to be a part of it anymore, but she still has the power to hurt. How could she cut me off like that?

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crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:25

sorry posts crossed

EvesBigFatMama · 07/09/2005 21:32

the older we get the more we realise that our parents are not what we thought they were or even what we hoped

she 'needs' acceptance, constant praise and by the sounds of it is using you as a scape goat, so she doesnt look bad'in the community'..plus if she is still fostering or even those she has fostered in the past..she may be required to speak to someone because of his behaviour..i certainly would want to know a few things.
but at the end of the day..its him who is acting like a weird old pervert and should be 'spoken' too..not your mum nor you.

please dont beat yourself up..it hurts like hell when your mum does things like this i know from personal experience, but do give it time and space....it may heal itself and she may realise what shes missing.hth

WideWebWitch · 07/09/2005 21:34

Bloody hell Rhubarb, how awful. Look, you did the right and human thing, good for you. Sorry the fall out was so bad.

Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 21:38

Cheers. But if she does try to make contact, what do I do? Pretend it never happened? Or ignore her completely and try to live without her destructive influence? (which means never have to deal with HIM again!). And if I do that, what about the repercussions from the rest of the family and all the awkwardness this would cause?

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crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:41

What are you comfortable with ?

Perhaps contact with your mum - accepting that you can't change her attitude to him ... concentrate on your relationship with her as a sole individual - rather than her as part of a couple .... perhaps ??

God it's a hard one.

What does your gut feeling suggest ?

charliecat · 07/09/2005 21:43

I dont know what you should do now but you definetly did the right thing. Theres nothing worse than some slime bag taking advantage of someones innocence/politeness

WideWebWitch · 07/09/2005 21:44

Yes, I think crystaltips is right. Rhubarb, I'm not speaking to my stepfather atm and it is hard but it's precisely because I am refusing to do the 'pretend nothing's happened' line. So I am managing to have a relationship with my mum by NOT talking about him/my issues with him. It is hard though, I do resent her for it. Sorry, no use really but thought I'd post anyway.

Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 21:45

I tried that Crystaltips, I really did. I want to just leave it to be honest. It'll hurt, but as the days go by without contact from her I just think, why the hell am I being punished here? Let's go the whole hog and just have done with the pair of them!

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crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:47

Then go for it .... but never say never .... think of it as a short term solution.

Says the girl who has cut out her PIL forever

Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 21:48

Ok thanks. I'm in a better mood now than when I came on anyway. I really should change my name for some of these, you guys know more about me and my family than even dh!

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crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:50

who cares .... you aren't saying anything that you are ashamed of are you ?

Plus IMO it'snicer talking to people when you know who you are talking to .... IYKWIM !

WideWebWitch · 07/09/2005 21:51

Crystaltips, talking of which, haven't you been away/not posting for ages?

Harrizeb · 07/09/2005 21:51

Rhubarb, I really don't have anything constructive to say I'm sorry. I do feel that you did exactly the right thing - you asked the girls if they were ok with the way he was behaving and they weren't but I'm guessing weren't sure about how to deal with it.

Also remember your brother was worried about this mans inappropriate behaviour any way.

I am sorry that she has cut you out, and still has the ability to hurt you.

Just a thought and quite possibly irrelvant, but I'll put it out there any way - your mum has an image to live up to as a Christian and a caring person, an image I get the impression that she has 'fostered' for many years. The knowledge that her husband and his actions are potentially putting that in jepoday, and could well get him and by association her with a very different reputation may well be fueling some of her behaviour?

In order for me to get out from under my fathers emotional blackmail and his 'control' I moved a couple of hundred miles away and stopped talking to him. The only reason I see him now is because of DS, I really don't like him at all. It's taken me years to finally accept that I have nothing to prove to him and that his praise or otherwise really is irrelevant now.

Please don't feel bad, I feel you did exactly the right thing.

Take care
H x

Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 21:51
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Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 21:53

Thank you for the support Harizeb, and everyone for sharing some of what you have been through with me. It's nice not to feel so alone.

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crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:53

www - nice tht you noticed ! - yup I dip in an out .... shy away from the threads where there is a lot of agro

Have also felt that being away - I have missed out in alot of what's going on in peoples lives and sometimes find the long threads hard to follow.

BUT it's soooo easy to get sucked back in again

WideWebWitch · 07/09/2005 21:54

CT, I saw your name and thought ooh she's been gorn ages! and we have italics now and everything! Nice to see you anyway.

Harrizeb · 07/09/2005 21:56

you're welcome xx