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I'm trying not to dwell on this, but can't tonight

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Rhubarb · 07/09/2005 20:49

I'm supposed to feel better for this, but I don't. And I don't want to dwell in self-pity either. My mum doesn't want anything to do with me anymore. She came to see us on a week's holiday that was always going to be hard. There was her, her husband (don't say the word 'Stepdad'), my brother, my 17 year old niece and her friend. They were staying at an awkward time, Tues to Tues so the only gite I could find for them had them sharing a bedroom (divided into two by one of those dividery thingies) and my brother stayed with us. They had no car and we live in a remote place so every day, I packed the kids into the van and I took them to see the sites.

I noticed on the very day that they arrived that her husband (M for simplicity) was touching my niece the way only a boyfriend should, putting his hand up her back and rubbing it, touching her thigh and occasionally slapping her bottom. He's always been a bit slimey, he'll make a beeline for attractive young women on their own at parties, he makes inappropriate comments etc. I've never got on with him because he was a complete a utter bastard to me when I was a child and then a teenager, and he still likes to have his dig every now and then, acknowledging everyone but me, making sarcastic comments to me,etc. Anyway I asked her if she was ok with this and she said no, in her words; "I thought I was just being paranoid.... it's not what grandads do is it?" She also told me that he had taken her and her friend to one side and asked if they were planning to go topless on the beach. She said they were too uncomfortable to wear their bikini's on the beach now.

So I kept my eye on him and saw him touching her friend's bottom whilst pretending to get a bit of fluff off her skirt, looking at their boobs, stroking her thigh whilst tickling her. I phoned my sister to ask for advice and learn that my brother, the father of my niece, had his concerns about them all holidaying together because of this very thing. I was advised to speak to mum about it directly and ask her to tell him to take it easy. This I did on one of their last days so as not to create bad feeling. I did it as diplomatically as I could but she said that now I had turned it into a problem, it was just the way he was and she wished she could get away from us all sometimes.

Anyway they all went back and that was that. Two days later I get a phone call from my mum, she is crying so much I thought someone had died, as my younger brother had been in hospital before the holiday I was really frightened something had happened to him. But she managed to say to me inbetween hysterical sobbing "God forgive you for what you have done", she said again about wishing she could get away from us all and then she slammed the phone down. I call my brother who told me that my niece had told him what had gone on and he had spoken to mum about it too. She'd reacted much in the same way as she did with me when I first told her, but nothing more than that, so he was quite surprised when I mentioned the phone call. Since then I have heard that she is speaking to everyone, and he has apologised. But she has told people that God should still forgive me for what I have done, and I haven't heard from her since.

Part of me thought, goody, that's her out of my life. She is such a drama queen, she tries to tear the family apart and I suppose she is part of the reason I escaped to France. But another part is crying inside that she could do this to me when I only tried to do what I thought was best. Once again she has put M before us. She betrayed me throughout my childhood and now she is betraying me again.

There, now I have wrote it all down I hope I feel better! I'll get a beer. Thanks for listening.

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crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:56

DS just said the same .... "ooooh look at all those faces .... why don't you do a message with them all on" !!!

friskyfeski · 07/09/2005 21:56

Rhubarb- i think you did the right thing.

crystaltips · 07/09/2005 21:57

glad that you are feeling marginally better rhuby... it's tough isn't it.

It's the old 80/20 rule .... why spend 80% of our energy on the "bad" 20% of people in our lives

Mirage · 07/09/2005 22:10

Rhubarb,you definately did the right thing.100% right.Teenage girls can be very vulnerable & easily embarrassed & therefore are easy targets for this sort of person.

You should feel proud of yourself that you did the right thing.

suedonim · 07/09/2005 22:50

I've got an 18yo dd, Rhubarb, and if she'd had the experience your niece has had I'd be hugging you with gratitude for coming to her rescue. Your niece might be upset at your action but not that upset because she told her dad anyway, she obviously wanted help with the situation.

Re your mum, I'd let it rest for a while, allow tempers cool and then tread softly softly. Sometimes you just can't change people and ime it's best then to keep things on an affable but noncommittal basis.

Marina · 08/09/2005 12:22

Lots of corroboration and support on here for what you did Rhubarb, but I think Suedonim and Hariezb have especially nailed it:

  1. Your mother, as a foster-parent and active member of a church where there are presumably childrens' and youth activities, is being compromised by her husband's inappropriate behaviour - and could be seen as complicit in his activities if an official complaint was ever made

  2. if my child was being groped and ogled by a much older member of my extended family I would be very grateful to the whistleblower and inform the police of the man's activities

What is it with some of your family? They really don't like it when you have the guts to stand up for yourself and others...and will say and do the right thing while they stand by. I am SO sorry she has done this to you yet again, you really do not deserve such a toxic parent.

I see your brother is very unwell. I am so sorry to hear that. On top of everything else.

tortoiseshell · 08/09/2005 12:26

Rhubarb you did the right thing. Don't understand your mum's reaction tbh, but don't you feel bad - you had to say something. Hope things improve!

Mum2girls · 08/09/2005 12:29

Rhubarb, you probably don't need anyone else to say it, but you did the right thing - absolutely. Things are bad between you and you're mum, but at least you can live with yourself - hopefully this is the warning he needed to keep his pervy hands to himself.

Maybe your mum realised it but was in denial.

anorak · 08/09/2005 13:02

I think the fact that your brother apologised to her fuelled her fantasy of her husband being in the right. He shouldn't have apologised, but it sounds as if he is under a lot of pressure and caved in. But that leaves you looking unreasonable.

You absolutely did the right thing in saying something to her. Have no doubt about it.

Have you read 'Toxic Parents' by Susan Forward? Many of the case studies discussed in the book involved one parent who behaved badly and the other 'enabling' them. The enabler was invariably in denial, too afraid of what might happen if they face the truth. A lot of people like to keep things quiet, never mention their partner's abusive behaviour. They feel a measure of control then. You upset their coping structure and that's why they blame you.

Rhubarb · 09/09/2005 13:46

Things just got worse. Got a call from eldest sister because middle sister has had a proper go at my mum, telling her a few home truths. Now mum is asking us all if M has ever abused us, the answer is no. But my sis told me that I am getting the blame for making her ill and splitting her and M up (exaggeration). Far from apologising, M has threatened to go round and have it out with my poor niece! Mum is telling everyone that she has 'lost' me, and the things she said to my eldest sister are not worth repeating. I have written her a letter stating the facts as I see them so that no-one can say I have said something that I haven't. I've put in the letter that I have kept copies for that purpose. I made dh read it and I re-wrote it after he did! Some of the things she supposedly said are still going round in my head. I think she is seriously mentally ill.

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dropinthe · 09/09/2005 13:58

Stay brave and strong,Rhubarb-you are in a nightmare that you could seriously do with waking up from.I,too,have a drama queen of a mother who I have never been able to stand up to because the implications of blackmail,control,repurcussions are just to scary to handle.
Keep your ground-remain the "adult",get support and DO NOT feel guilty about any of this-she is using you and twisting the truth into an evil ball.
Don't let her win!

Big virtual hugs to keep you strong.
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stacijc · 09/09/2005 14:14

HUGE hugs...i read between the lines a little and thought u might need this (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUG))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) for a shite past xxx

I would have doen the same too and tbh if my mother ever chose someone like that over me then i would never ever see/speak to her anagin but thats just me. Hope things don't get tpp bad for your neice

berolina · 09/09/2005 17:27

dropinthe: I could have written these exact same words aboit my mother:
.I,too,have a drama queen of a mother who I have never been able to stand up to because the implications of blackmail,control,repurcussions are just to scary to handle.
In the end I had to stand up to her because I was being pressured and blackmailed to leave dh, then dp (considered 'unsuitable' for me).
I explained I wasn't leaving him and was cut off by my parents. That was 5 years ago and I haven't seen them since. We exchange brief emails - theirs have clearly been written by my dad.
Rhubarb, you know you did the right thing. Don't get sucked in. I know the feelings of longing for a mother. But sadly, so sadly, some mothers are not good for their children. Try and give yourself some space. After losing my parents, despite the grief, a big part of me was relieved that the horrible situation was all over.
Sorry this is happening to you.

suedonim · 09/09/2005 17:56

Rhubarb, it's very useful for your mum to blame you - you're in another country and not easily able to defend yourself. As for M 'having it out' with your niece, that sounds like a combination of bluster and guilty conscience, to me. I know it's not easy but try to stay cool and (apart from the letter stating facts) don't let yourself get dragged into more and more recriminations. Treat your mum like a toddler - if she gets no response to her tantrum, she'll get fed up and find something else to do/complain about.

anorak · 10/09/2005 10:38

Wise words there from berolina, it's one of the most painful truths some of us have to face, that our parents are incapable of being the parents we long for. We always feel as if it's our fault in some way, especially when, as your parents are doing, they say it is. It isn't.

It does leave a big hole in your life if you have to live without your parents, but if it's because they're not being parents anyway, that hole would still be there if you remained in contact with them. Let it go and give up the constant struggle to gain the approval of people who are impossible to please and who seem to have no judgment or idea of how to be parents.

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