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Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/03/2014 17:11

Why Exercise ?

Maintaining a normal bodyweight and taking regular exercise are 2 major areas of life which we can address to improve our health.

Regular exercise helps reduce the risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, some cancers, osteoporosis, dementia, depression.

Increasing your % muscle and / or reducing your % body fat lowers the risk of death from all causes LowerRiskMuscle

Regular exercisers gain the greatest benefits over their lifetime and theyj can minimise biological aging, i.e. "Bend the Aging Curve BendAge

Fasted training

i.e. training on FDs, seems to increase the benefits of both training and IF.
Most experienced exercisers soon manage fasted training without loss of performance for session of up to 90 mins.

Hormesis

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"
Hormesis Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis is cutting edge science for nutrition and fitness.

Its principles are that alternating between "extremes" of feast and fast (5:2 / IF) or intense training and rest (HIIT), makes the body more resilient.

The intermittent stress of lifting an extreme weight or performing at high speed for a short period pushes the body to overcompensate and prepare for an even greater future challenge HormesisTrain , Hormesis-Edge , and AntiFragile The following recovery period avoids damage from over-stressing.

INEFFICIENT: Low-Medium Intensity Steady state Cardio

Steady state cardio is NOT necessary for fitness and should only be a small part of your weekly cardio, unless it is all you can manage to do.

Walking outdoors is beneficial psychologically, is easy on the knee joints and has some physical benefits.

However, at speeds of 5mph or faster, running will burn more calories per mile than walking Ref

Also low-moderate or steady state exercise tends to increase appetite, whereas intense exercise can suppress appetite for up to 15 hours.

BEST TYPES of Exercise

HIIT cardio and resistance training / weight lifting are recommended to boost the effect of 5:2/IF, to increase weight loss, reduce body fat, retain muscle and maintain TDEE / BMR.

Anyone who is not specialising in a sport at a high level should aim to do both HIIT cardio and lifting / resistance training.

FAST Exercise

Dr Mosely developed a Fast Exercise program to complement his 5:2 WOE FastExercise

He lists many HIIT and strength routines that only take a few minutes, but can make significantly improve metabolism and fat-burning capability FastExercises

HOW to Exercise

The cardio machines and the girlie pink dumbbells that gyms push are NOT adequate to significantly improve fitness or burn fat.

Whether you join a gym or train at home or in the park:

  • Train as intensively as your time, health and fitness level allow.
  • Do not remain in your comfort zone, or you will not improve.
  • You are supposed to drip sweat and pant heavily !
However, a brisk 30 mins daily walk plus 5 mins hoop is better than nothing and if done regularly will bring some health benefits.

HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)

HIIT is an exercise strategy which alternates brief intervals of high intensity exercise with less-intense recovery periods.
Examples:

  • 20 seconds high intensity + 10 secs recovery
  • 60 sec high + 30 sec low etc.

HIIT is very time-efficient, producing the greatest fitness benefit in the least time (the advantage of hormesis).

Scientists have proved that HIIT burns more fat than steady state lower intensity exercise and speeds up the metabolism, which helps burn more calories for up to 48 hrs.

HIIT also improves the insulin metabolism, which is very important for health.

HIIT reduces risk of heart problems more than doing lower intensity SteadyState , pp. 31-34.

HIIT increases both aerobic and anaerobic endurance

HIIT can be applied to cardio: e.g. cycling, running, skipping, jumping, mountain climbs or to bodyweight exercises, e.g. squatting, situps, burpees, pressups

Most gyms offer HIIT classes, e.g. spinning, circuit training, CrossFit, Tabata, Fartlek*(Fartlek = HIIT with irregular intervals)

RESISTANCE Training / LIFTING

Helps retain muscle mass during weight loss and hence to maintain TDEE.
You can lift at home, or in the gym weights area, or in a pump class.

It is best not to train the same muscle groups 2 days in succession, so have rest days, or cardio, or train different muscle groups on different days.
Try to build up to weight training for 30-60 mins twice per week.

Reps = the number of repetitions in a set of a particular lifting exercise
Sets are normally separated by brief rests E.g. you might do 3 sets each of 12 reps all of the same exercise.

WARNING
Do not lift massively heavy barbells, more than bodyweight, unless you are really fit with good technique.
Women who have given birth and / or are aged 40+ have a higher risk of pelvic floor / prolapse injuries when lifting heavy than young non-mums.

Press ups

  • By far the best upper body exercise
  • Keep attempting one full pressup rather than doing several dozen girlie ones with your knees on the floor.
  • Once you can do one pressup, you will soon be able to build up to 5, then 10 etc.
  • Tip: keep the abs rigid, so strong abs are as important as strong shoulders & arms
  • Hand Release Pressups are good to build up strength for full ones
  • Also build up via inclined pressups InclinedPress , see bottom of wiki page
  • To increase the number of pushups IncreaseNum

ATG Arse To Grass bodyweight squat

  • The best exercise for the large muscle group in bum and thighs.
  • Basic principle: It is like having a pee on a public loo - get your bum down low and pointing to the rear, but not actually touching the seat.
-Lean back on your heels, so that weight is on them, not on your toes. -bring your arms forward
  • keep your back straight, but angled slightly forward, not vertical.
  • Go down as far as you can without knee pain.

Pullups

  • Very few women can do full ones, but assisted ones build excellent muscle
  • Work the same muscles with the much easier Australian pullup or imverted row InvertedRow

If you have access to dumbbells / barbells, then for maximum effect, work the large muscle groups:
squats bent-over rows (press button "female") Behind neckPress (press button "female") dead lift

To increase Strength Rather than Muscle Mass
Lift as heavy as you can, low reps, with 1 minute rest between sets e.g. 5 sets x 5 reps each, i.e. totalling 25 lifts.

To Build More Muscle
Lift lower (NOT Girlie) weight, do 3 sets x 8-20 reps, i.e. totalling 24-60 lifts.

AVOID OSTEOPOROSIS

To retain bone strength and avoid a painfully disabled old age, start now:
Ideally weight-bearing exercises that load the bone along its length of these types:

Impact exercise E.g. walking, running, jumping, skipping rope, step class, hitting a heavy punch bag.

Lifting: squats, press-ups, bench press, overhead press etc.

Squats are much better for osteoporosis than lunges, also for knees:
The weight in a squat is transmitted down along the spine, through the hip, and down along the bones of the leg, whereas in a lunge, it is transmitted across the shinbone and puts pressure on the knee joint.

Note: Cycling normally does NOT increase bone density, as it does not load bones along their length. Osteo

KETTLEBELLS Kettle
Beginners:
. Two-handed swing
. Sumo Deadlift
. Turkish Getup
. Swing
. Clean and Jerk
. Press

Improve your GRIP STRENGTH GripMen , BodyBuild

CALCULATORS:
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Estimate your fitness age: FitAge
Estimate Vo2Max iTunes App: Vo2APP
Body Fat Calculator:BF
Healthy Body Fat Percentages at Different Ages: HealthyBF
TDEE with detailed activity times: TDEE

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polealltheway · 24/02/2015 23:10

Thanks bigchoc GrinGrin

BigChocFrenzy · 25/02/2015 12:12

Pole Until tip pops on, I'd recommend a stretching and relaxation class, if your gym does them. That is more to avoid future problems though
These Neck Exercises are designed to help pain and you can do them at home.

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TalkinPeace · 25/02/2015 19:53

Hi there pole
Yes, yoga should make a difference
as your neck aches are most likely to be coming from tightness in your shoulders and chest.

Stand facing a mirror wearing a sleeveless top.
Stretch your arms out to the side so that there is a perfectly straight line from fingertip to fingertip through your shoulders.
Gently shuffle your feet till you are sideways on and check that the straight line also runs so that your arms are not forwards or back.

Turn back to face the mirror.
Spread your fingers out wide.
Rotate your hands backwards till your palms are facing upwards.
Check that your arms are still in their straight lines.

Slowly turn your head to the right, then back to centre, then to the left.
Repeat three times

By now your arm muscles should be screaming

but when you relax them, you should be able to feel every muscle in your neck, shoulders and arms buzzing with the work.

THAT is what Yoga is about.
It looks easy if you are watching, but the slowness and control will give you strength and stability and flexibility that should reduce joint pain.
After a while you'll learn some silly balances too Smile

TalkinPeace · 25/02/2015 19:55

BTW Bigchoc
DH is getting more into his exercise but really struggles with planks and pressups because his main big toe joints are shot.
He does batches of pressups with his feet up on the sofa, but more ideas very welcome.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/02/2015 20:52

Thanks for the yoga expertise, tip

To protect your DH's toes:
. Incline pressups with his shins on a padded gym bench and his feet hanging relaxed in the air on the other side
. For plank or pressup, TRX suspension cables, with his ankles in the stirrups are a tremendous workout - I've tried a few TRX exercises as our gym has just acquired some and I'm very impressed by the workout.
Your gym may have TRX cables if you ask, or get them from Amazon etc and set them up at home

5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)
5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)
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Trenzalor · 25/02/2015 23:01

Thanks for advice Errol and BigChoc. I've copied and pasted the ideas to read through properly. Then I shall start!

As yoga has come up - does anyone know of any good YouTube type clips I can use? I went to a class last week which was brilliant but I just can't afford it.

polealltheway · 25/02/2015 23:25

Bigchoc - thank you for the link I will try the exercises tomorrow when I have more time!

Tip - thank you for your advice, o tired yoga a few times before and never enjoyed it, a few weeks ago I went to a class and the teacher was really good and it was much more enjoyable!

Is yoga good for loosing weight? Or better for toning and flexibility?

My back and neck have been an ongoing problem for so long I know I need to strengthen them instead of paying an osteopath to relive the symptoms!

TalkinPeace · 26/02/2015 07:54

trenzalor good yoga channels .... Yoga inspiration, kino macgregor, any that take your fancy.

pole yoga will not make you lose weight, but because it will improve posture and tone all muscles, you will look thinner!

Breadandwine · 03/03/2015 00:06

Hi BC

Did you see this week's 'Click' on the Beeb? If not, you should check it out on iPlayer. It featured a new, electronic, engine for a bike. Take off your back wheel, slide this into place, and you're in business. It makes ordinary electric bikes look like the old boneshaker bikes compared with the latest racing bikes.

I forecast that you'll see it as a 'Must have'! Grin

Comes on the market this month (but I'm not sure if that's in the US or here).

I was all set to start my 12kg kb exercises today, since I finally completed 4 x 20 reps with all my 9 exercises last week. However, I seemed to have developed a groin strain - not sure how - so I'll hold off on that for the moment.

It hasn't affected my HIIT - in fact I upped that to 8 sets of 30 secs running on the spot today. 1760 steps in 6 minutes 20 seconds!

BigChocFrenzy · 03/03/2015 08:57

I hope your groin strain goes soon, B&w
You are another one who would benefit from TRX slings or Similar Kit (same function but much cheaper)

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/03/2015 09:03

Fun idea, but maybe for you Wink
That motor sounds illegal for my commuting, which I like to do fairly slowly anyway, to chill. Also, my insurance would object.

Anyway, last week I bought another ebike to replace the one stolen before Xmas . It has many clever features, is ergonmically perfect and I like it a lot.
(I take the battery with me and I have 2 massive locks that would suit a jail cell)

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Trenzalor · 04/03/2015 19:51

And I've shredded, thank you very much. bows

BigChocFrenzy · 04/03/2015 20:09

Well done, Trenzalor Your bod will thank you (after a few weeks)

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polealltheway · 05/03/2015 16:04

Ok so I need to do something to burn belly fat! I think I saw bigchoc said something about exercises that boost metabolism that you can do at home possibly for a few minutes at a time? Any ideas

Also has anyone tried Charlotte Crosbys DVD? I heard it is hiit based and I think that's what I need!

polealltheway · 05/03/2015 16:05

Also I have been to a couple of Zumba classes recently which I have enjoyed but is it very effective?

polealltheway · 05/03/2015 16:05

Also I have been to a couple of Zumba classes recently which I have enjoyed but is it very effective?

BigChocFrenzy · 05/03/2015 23:00

pole Zumba classes vary a lot in intensity.
If you are working hard enough to be panting and sweating all the time, then you are probably burning a lot of calories.

HIIT can help fat-burning.
Short concentrated forms of HIIT, like Tabata and Mosely's Fast Fitness Blasts, can help correct metabolic issues, if you have any. This would enable 5:2 and your other exercise to work more efficiently.

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BigChocFrenzy · 05/03/2015 23:09

HIIT Fitness Blasts
Take a few mins per day, 3-5 days per week

2 mins warmup then either

Sprint or Rope-skipping intervals
. 1 min sprinting / Skipping flat out + 30 secs jogging to recover
. Do 8 intervals

Or

Tabata
Suitable exercises:
Running, stationary bike set to low resistance, burpees, punchbag, step-ups, swimming, squats, lunges, pressups, tricep dips, situps, jumping jacks ... or any combination you like.
. 8 x intervals of 20 secs @ 100% effort + 10 secs recovery (rest or slow speed)

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Breadandwine · 07/03/2015 18:19

I'm now doing 8 x 30 second bursts - running on the spot in a pool with 20 sec recovery. I tried this whilst waiting for a bus recently, and found my knees didn't suffer at all. Just tried 3 sets in the kitchen and found it much harder than in the water. But satisfying!

Last night I began my 12kg kb routine. I kept it to 5 reps of the lifts and 10 of the swings (x 4). So far so good.

polealltheway · 08/03/2015 09:58

Thank you for the information bigchoc, I had a personal trainer before that gave me a short workout as follows:

Shoulder press
Squat
Upright row
Rack squat
Squat and over head press

Each exercise for 30 secs each and complete the set 3 times

Would this be like hiit?

polealltheway · 08/03/2015 09:59

Sorry meant to add or is it like tababa

polealltheway · 08/03/2015 10:01

So this week I have done two Zumba classes and one circuit class, the instructor does mui Thai and made it very hard work but it felt good! I know my body needs weights and resistance and the dreaded cardio! Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2015 16:07

pole the routine from your trainer is a good classic strength workout, which will build muscle and bring real benefits to you.
However, it is not really HIIT or Tabata, which are far more cardio-oriented
Also, Tabata has the very specific intervals of 20 secs full effort + 10 secs recovery.

For cardio fitness and accelerated fat-burning, I suggest you ask about HIIT spin or martial arts classes like BoxFit or TaeBo.
Or try the HIIT and Tabata routines on your own, that I listed.

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2015 16:08

Sounds good, B&W

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polealltheway · 09/03/2015 07:10

Thanks bigchoc, I can see now that tabata and hiit are cardio based and I though they were resistance based!

I will look into boxfit I think my gym has those classes!

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