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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/03/2014 17:11

Why Exercise ?

Maintaining a normal bodyweight and taking regular exercise are 2 major areas of life which we can address to improve our health.

Regular exercise helps reduce the risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, some cancers, osteoporosis, dementia, depression.

Increasing your % muscle and / or reducing your % body fat lowers the risk of death from all causes LowerRiskMuscle

Regular exercisers gain the greatest benefits over their lifetime and theyj can minimise biological aging, i.e. "Bend the Aging Curve BendAge

Fasted training

i.e. training on FDs, seems to increase the benefits of both training and IF.
Most experienced exercisers soon manage fasted training without loss of performance for session of up to 90 mins.

Hormesis

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"
Hormesis Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis is cutting edge science for nutrition and fitness.

Its principles are that alternating between "extremes" of feast and fast (5:2 / IF) or intense training and rest (HIIT), makes the body more resilient.

The intermittent stress of lifting an extreme weight or performing at high speed for a short period pushes the body to overcompensate and prepare for an even greater future challenge HormesisTrain , Hormesis-Edge , and AntiFragile The following recovery period avoids damage from over-stressing.

INEFFICIENT: Low-Medium Intensity Steady state Cardio

Steady state cardio is NOT necessary for fitness and should only be a small part of your weekly cardio, unless it is all you can manage to do.

Walking outdoors is beneficial psychologically, is easy on the knee joints and has some physical benefits.

However, at speeds of 5mph or faster, running will burn more calories per mile than walking Ref

Also low-moderate or steady state exercise tends to increase appetite, whereas intense exercise can suppress appetite for up to 15 hours.

BEST TYPES of Exercise

HIIT cardio and resistance training / weight lifting are recommended to boost the effect of 5:2/IF, to increase weight loss, reduce body fat, retain muscle and maintain TDEE / BMR.

Anyone who is not specialising in a sport at a high level should aim to do both HIIT cardio and lifting / resistance training.

FAST Exercise

Dr Mosely developed a Fast Exercise program to complement his 5:2 WOE FastExercise

He lists many HIIT and strength routines that only take a few minutes, but can make significantly improve metabolism and fat-burning capability FastExercises

HOW to Exercise

The cardio machines and the girlie pink dumbbells that gyms push are NOT adequate to significantly improve fitness or burn fat.

Whether you join a gym or train at home or in the park:

  • Train as intensively as your time, health and fitness level allow.
  • Do not remain in your comfort zone, or you will not improve.
  • You are supposed to drip sweat and pant heavily !
However, a brisk 30 mins daily walk plus 5 mins hoop is better than nothing and if done regularly will bring some health benefits.

HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)

HIIT is an exercise strategy which alternates brief intervals of high intensity exercise with less-intense recovery periods.
Examples:

  • 20 seconds high intensity + 10 secs recovery
  • 60 sec high + 30 sec low etc.

HIIT is very time-efficient, producing the greatest fitness benefit in the least time (the advantage of hormesis).

Scientists have proved that HIIT burns more fat than steady state lower intensity exercise and speeds up the metabolism, which helps burn more calories for up to 48 hrs.

HIIT also improves the insulin metabolism, which is very important for health.

HIIT reduces risk of heart problems more than doing lower intensity SteadyState , pp. 31-34.

HIIT increases both aerobic and anaerobic endurance

HIIT can be applied to cardio: e.g. cycling, running, skipping, jumping, mountain climbs or to bodyweight exercises, e.g. squatting, situps, burpees, pressups

Most gyms offer HIIT classes, e.g. spinning, circuit training, CrossFit, Tabata, Fartlek*(Fartlek = HIIT with irregular intervals)

RESISTANCE Training / LIFTING

Helps retain muscle mass during weight loss and hence to maintain TDEE.
You can lift at home, or in the gym weights area, or in a pump class.

It is best not to train the same muscle groups 2 days in succession, so have rest days, or cardio, or train different muscle groups on different days.
Try to build up to weight training for 30-60 mins twice per week.

Reps = the number of repetitions in a set of a particular lifting exercise
Sets are normally separated by brief rests E.g. you might do 3 sets each of 12 reps all of the same exercise.

WARNING
Do not lift massively heavy barbells, more than bodyweight, unless you are really fit with good technique.
Women who have given birth and / or are aged 40+ have a higher risk of pelvic floor / prolapse injuries when lifting heavy than young non-mums.

Press ups

  • By far the best upper body exercise
  • Keep attempting one full pressup rather than doing several dozen girlie ones with your knees on the floor.
  • Once you can do one pressup, you will soon be able to build up to 5, then 10 etc.
  • Tip: keep the abs rigid, so strong abs are as important as strong shoulders & arms
  • Hand Release Pressups are good to build up strength for full ones
  • Also build up via inclined pressups InclinedPress , see bottom of wiki page
  • To increase the number of pushups IncreaseNum

ATG Arse To Grass bodyweight squat

  • The best exercise for the large muscle group in bum and thighs.
  • Basic principle: It is like having a pee on a public loo - get your bum down low and pointing to the rear, but not actually touching the seat.
-Lean back on your heels, so that weight is on them, not on your toes. -bring your arms forward
  • keep your back straight, but angled slightly forward, not vertical.
  • Go down as far as you can without knee pain.

Pullups

  • Very few women can do full ones, but assisted ones build excellent muscle
  • Work the same muscles with the much easier Australian pullup or imverted row InvertedRow

If you have access to dumbbells / barbells, then for maximum effect, work the large muscle groups:
squats bent-over rows (press button "female") Behind neckPress (press button "female") dead lift

To increase Strength Rather than Muscle Mass
Lift as heavy as you can, low reps, with 1 minute rest between sets e.g. 5 sets x 5 reps each, i.e. totalling 25 lifts.

To Build More Muscle
Lift lower (NOT Girlie) weight, do 3 sets x 8-20 reps, i.e. totalling 24-60 lifts.

AVOID OSTEOPOROSIS

To retain bone strength and avoid a painfully disabled old age, start now:
Ideally weight-bearing exercises that load the bone along its length of these types:

Impact exercise E.g. walking, running, jumping, skipping rope, step class, hitting a heavy punch bag.

Lifting: squats, press-ups, bench press, overhead press etc.

Squats are much better for osteoporosis than lunges, also for knees:
The weight in a squat is transmitted down along the spine, through the hip, and down along the bones of the leg, whereas in a lunge, it is transmitted across the shinbone and puts pressure on the knee joint.

Note: Cycling normally does NOT increase bone density, as it does not load bones along their length. Osteo

KETTLEBELLS Kettle
Beginners:
. Two-handed swing
. Sumo Deadlift
. Turkish Getup
. Swing
. Clean and Jerk
. Press

Improve your GRIP STRENGTH GripMen , BodyBuild

CALCULATORS:
Fast Fitness Calculators: 52FastExercise
Estimate your fitness age: FitAge
Estimate Vo2Max iTunes App: Vo2APP
Body Fat Calculator:BF
Healthy Body Fat Percentages at Different Ages: HealthyBF
TDEE with detailed activity times: TDEE

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2014 11:39

Corrie Sorry to hear about the injury. I hope it soon clears up.

Rather than a knee brace, I suggest you rest that knee for at least a week. Joint injuries can worsen over time if repeatedly stressed. A brace may just hide the problem.

So, cut out jumping, running or strenuous biking and concentrate on upper body strength, abs work etc
A change in training like that can sometimes improve performance anyway.

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threestepsforward · 12/06/2014 17:22

Hi BigChoc, thanks a million :)

I do cover a fair bit of that between the yoga and the HIIT I'm currently doing, but it's a good idea to vary the intensity/rest periods, and I definitely need to do more weights etc as I'm hardly doing that at all since breaking from the lovely Jillian.

I really appreciate you taking the time to reply, and I may hang out on here a bit more and gain more tips along the way :)

Threesteps x

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2014 19:38

Went for a run (followed by a walk with DH) instead of my usual routine today. Lovely day here! (bit over-warm now in my office so I'm off out into the garden for a while now).

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2014 21:45

Errol Did you coax your reluctant canine sidekick ? Grin
Exercise outside makes an excellent change to the training routine.
It is also great for your mood.

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ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2014 22:28

The dog needs no encouragement to go for a walk so long as it's not just down the road! Running really isn't his thing though (other than occasional mad dashes).

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threestepsforward · 13/06/2014 23:58

have reported your post Venus, all the best :)

Chopsypie · 15/06/2014 20:07

Nothing to add, just want this in thread I'm on :-)

BigChocFrenzy · 15/06/2014 20:54

Hi Chopsie Let us know how you are doing
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tumteetum · 16/06/2014 11:20

Thanks Big Choc. Sorry have been offline since last week. Have started doing some strength stuff, but struggling with getting myself running. Never been keen for some reason. Could I skip instead?

BigChocFrenzy · 16/06/2014 12:34

TumTee That's fine. Do whatever is sustainable for you to do HIIT each week e.g.
Rope skipping, burpees, jumping jacks, star jumps, squat jumps
You can mix them up if you like and do each interval with a different exercise.

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Breadandwine · 16/06/2014 14:57

Just had a light bulb moment as regards my HIIT!

Because my injured finger precludes me dashing back and forth across the small pool I use, I've gone back to doing 100 circuits loping/jogging round said pool, which I always used to do before HIIT.

I suddenly realised that I could do 30 second bursts going all out, with 30 seconds recovery. I was much more out of breath than previously. So that's me sorted in that department. I'll probably reduce the recovery periods slowly as I progress.

On the KB side of things, I now no longer need a gap between some of the activities as I found myself having to do earlier. And I've extended the reps from 20 to 25 in what I call my 'steering wheel' exercise. This involves holding the kettlebell directly out in front of me and turning my hands to the left and then right.

nims1981 · 17/06/2014 06:43

I've got my skipping rope and I've been doing various routines including the one you gave me BC I can only do 5 Big girl push ups then I go down to knees, as straight as I can. then on next set I can only do 2 but I keep trying! I mixed it up with varying sit up style exercises like scissors, crunches and legs straight up etc, what do you think?
after all the press ups my arms were too pathetic to do the plank mire than once though so need to work on thatWink

BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2014 12:03

That sounds a good start, Nims Well done.

Try the XFit and inclined pressups too, because they'll help build the upper body strength you need.
The plank and pressup will help each other synergistically, so you will soon find you are improving.

If you are doing a few sets, it's best to have a recovery day between sessions, to rest the muscles. You can do say HIIT etc those days, or just rest.

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plecofjustice · 17/06/2014 13:27

Sharing my exercise victory. I tried a more dynamic Vinyasa flow yoga the other day (I usually do Kundalini which is dynamic but not flowing and hatha which is mostly static asana). I haven't done proper Vinyasa's since falling and injuring myself (hands were sweaty and just slipped out from under me as I lost alignment in a transition, so I went down with a crunch)

Anyway, went to Vinyasa class and the whole sequence to breath thing just clicked. And it's true, when it clicks, you can flow through the sequence with ease, the physical stops mattering as much.

Anyway, I was proud of myself :)

BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2014 14:52

Good for you, Pleco That's an exercise NSV.
I don't do yoga, but I've had that superhuman feeling in other sports of being "in the zone"
Be proud of yourself.
Smile

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BetsyBell · 19/06/2014 16:59

Right, no fasting for me this week (although my body kind of wants it) as I've got belt grading tomorrow and I have a 'fitness' challenge to complete as part of it this evening. I can manage the activity on a fast day but my brain is never quite as sharp post-fast, and a Friday evening is pushing it as far as brain-power and alertness is concerned anyway, and I've got lots to remember.

So, my fitness challenge is not a problem (big girl press ups, yay!) but I'm helping out a co-grader with hers so I'll be doing a 5k run too and we're going to try and beat our own speed records.

Just eaten my special power-porridge quinoa blend in readiness and hope that it's been consumed early enough that I don't want to vom it all up half way round.

So some sort of weird lifestyle victory as I've become the kind of person who chooses to do 2 people's fitness challenge. BRING IT ON!

BigChocFrenzy · 19/06/2014 17:17

You need maximum power and energy, so definitely no fasting for you, Betsy
Join the Monday gang.

Good luck with your grading tomorrow

and we want a full report and a photo of you with belt Grin

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BetsyBell · 20/06/2014 10:08

I'm enjoying power eating bigchoc - maximum nutrition is being aimed for, well, apart from the well-deserved victory chocolate after slamming the fitness challenges and getting a pb for running, and successfully getting co-grader to run a third faster than she feels comfortable with. Feeling buzzed for tonight's extravaganza.

The power porridge 2 hours before running was perfect. Max energy with no bilious stomach issues. I will do the same tonight.

I discovered an amazing food combo last night - avocado with anchovies. So damn good.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/06/2014 20:55

Wow, Betsy is eating for victory.
You've achieved wonderful NSVs already today, now for the biggie with your grading ...
Smile

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BetsyBell · 20/06/2014 21:28

I'm back! I'm a proud owner of a very shiny new orange belt... green next Grin

Breadandwine · 20/06/2014 21:31

Fantastic, Betsy!

Let me be the first to congratulate you!

I didn't wish you good luck since I knew you could do it.

You're a proper inspiration, you are! Star

BigChocFrenzy · 20/06/2014 21:38

Wayhay, 3 big cheers for Betsy ! Grin
Very well deserved. You worked really hard and you helped your chum in her running challenge.
Flowers
Now have your fav nuts and dried fruit, to refuel that hard-working bod.

'Cmon, show us a photo this weekend ?
Smile [hopeful]

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BetsyBell · 20/06/2014 21:51

I will when the chocolate and champagne have been prised from my hands! Grin

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