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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 01/01/2014 20:16

Cats are being naughty. I want one to sit on my lap. One decided to eat my crumbs and then sit on top of the chair rather than my lap and the other has made camp on DS1's bed.

I thought the telling off would be for not resting. I did go back to bed this morning as I was in a bad mood but then I decided I would make soup and got up Hmm. Didn't make the soup in the end but might tomorrow.

I have told DH he can't go in to work but he says he has too. He feels better, thankfully.

Breadandwine · 01/01/2014 20:51

Thanks, Toffee! Sort of savoury Chelsea buns, right? I do something similar with curried, fried onions. Will have to do that soon.

Now then, guys - you've got 10 more minutes to post, then NO posting for an hour!

Sherlock is back! 9pm on BBC1! Smile

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 01/01/2014 20:53

Only in looks, BAW!!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 01/01/2014 21:17

earslaps you are right I do need to find the time. Ds is only 9 weeks old so he takes up a lot of it (I'm breast feeding and typing).

When he can go a little longer without food I need to make my way over to the excercise thread - if I'm still making excuses in 2 months give me a virtual kick up the bum

TalkinPeace · 01/01/2014 21:21

activity breeds activity ....

woodchuck · 01/01/2014 21:47

I am giving 5:2 a go for the first timr, now all my Christmas eating is out of the way. I have been thinking about it for a while, just hadn't got round to watching the horizon prog, reading the book etc. I am not overweight, bmi is 21, and have just realised I have put on 4 lbs. This is probably mostly because of Christmas, but I have been gaining a pound or two consistently over the last five years, so if I don't make dome changes now I will be overweight in a few short years.
I am 6 hours into my first fast, after sharing a pizzavwith DH at pizza express this aft. I am drinking lots of water and plan on eating next at about 10am tomorrow, my first day back at work after Christmas. I am a bit worried about getting up in the morning, as I usually have coffee with milk, do will be skipping that.
I am also concerned about making my 400 available calories good choices, to keep the hunger psngs away and stop me craving junk. I am planning to have a banana at 10am, with a few blueberries and then a slice of toast at lunch with a teaspoon of peanut butter and an apple. I will then have my normal dinner at 6 ish and will have fasted for 18 hours, and then had 400 cals over the next 7 hours.

does this sound ok? I am really unsure if I should be eating all of my cslorie allowance in one go. I am really looking forward to the challenge!

TalkinPeace · 01/01/2014 21:54

500 calories
if your bmi is not high, your reasons are more health than weight loss
eat the 500 on fast days and right up to your tdee on others

I allow 100 of my FD calories for milk in cups of tea
I do not snack at all, ever

emmief77 · 01/01/2014 21:57

Popped over here from the lose 52lbs in 52 weeks thread... I'm interested in giving this a go but I am a carb junkie. I love my cereals, bread and pasta... not too bothered about breads... can't imagine not eating these foods

TalkinPeace · 01/01/2014 21:57

you can eat them - just in sensible quantities and not on two days of the week Grin

emmief77 · 01/01/2014 22:05

could you give me some examples... I mean breakfast with no cereals...is like gin without tonic.. or ant without dec... they just go together Xmas Grin

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 01/01/2014 22:09

WhenSheWasBad You can exercise at home. Check recent posts on the 5:2 exercise thread Here

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TalkinPeace · 01/01/2014 22:14

emmie
Skip breakfast.
You do not need it.
Only Kelloggs need people to eat breakfast cereal.
If you cannot start the day without food, have eggs or fruit or yoghurt.

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 01/01/2014 22:20

Emmie

For FDs, you can split your calories into 1-3 meals as you wish, but most of us find it easier to skip breakfast - just have a double espresso say.

On FDs, we usually eat protein and veg, e.g. stews, soups, stir fries without rice, omelette / scrambled egg with salad, not bread.
So, avoid starches and most fruit. The idea is to lower your insulin level on 2 days and give your body a rest.

On the other 5 days, the NFDs, have your carbs, but avoid snacks between meals. Most folk eat about 10% below TDEE for 3 days, to allow for more cals at the weekend.

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MelanieCheeks · 01/01/2014 22:45

Non-cereal breakfasts:

Eggs - scrambled in the microwave with any veg lying around, mushrooms, tomatoes, spinach, little cheese. or boiled, with asparagus for dipping.

Smoked salmon
Ham and tomatoes
leftovers
greek yoghurt with berries

EarSlaps · 01/01/2014 22:56

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted if you are only 9 weeks post birth and bf I'd leave the shred for a while. Instead start with something a bit more gentle- brisk walks, gentle jogging or a swim. Or weighted hula hooping! Then when you feel a bit fitter you can introduce the harder exercise. You'll find a way to fit it into your day, it's worth the time.

My favourite no grain breakfast is Greek yoghurt ( full fat) with seeds, almonds and a tiny squeeze of honey. So delicious and satisfying. Plus a huge mug of green tea

emmief77 · 01/01/2014 22:59

Okay starting to get the idea now... Gonna be hard to give up my Special K on FD as I'm pretty addicted to it!!

Mazzledazzle · 01/01/2014 23:31

After 2 days of feasting, I'll be back fasting tomorrow. I was actually surprised how little I ate yesterday and today, especially since I allowed myself to eat whatever I wanted. And I'm beginning to love herbal teas!

You can still eat Special K 5 days of the week emmief77 so it shouldn't be too hard to start. After the first few fasts I was ravenous the next day, now I wake up not hungry at all!

ChubbyKitty · 01/01/2014 23:56

First fast day tomorrow!

I suspect I'll be on this thread a lot rather than drooling over the leftover Xmas chocolate

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 02/01/2014 00:38

Good luck to all newbies doing their first FD tomorrow - or rather today, now !

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AGlassHalfEmptyNoLonger · 02/01/2014 00:47

Have been lurking on and off since thread #1. Am finally in a position where I am ready to make a start. First FD tomorrow (3rd), am going to have Mondays and Fridays as my FDs. Am going to measure myself after work, but basic stats are 5 ft and approx 14 stone (not weighed myself in the last couple of months but know I am flirting around that mark). 2013 was spent learning about myself and moving out of the deepest depression I have been in. 2014 is about continuing on that road, with my weight being something I really want to tackle. I havent seriously dieted before, but this WOE/WOL is one I can see myself being able to manage, much better than other diets/eating fads. Friday is mostly planned, just need to sort the protein part of the evening meal. And so, I say on here what I have only said to one person (my oh) in real life, I am going to move further down the road this year by tackling my weight/body size and hopefully my fitness as well.

Breadandwine · 02/01/2014 01:02

Good for you Glass! Good luck with your first fast.

I'm also fasting tomorrow - my umpteenth Grin - and I love 'em!

I'm already 7 hours down the road - aiming for 24 hours liquid only. Not sure whether to eat normally tomorrow night, or to go for a

peplum41 · 02/01/2014 05:00

Hi all, first fast 2014 under way, all is well. Except I've run out of coffee.

Welcome to all new to fasting, especially glass what a lot of lurking and yet no fasting! I hope you like it, all the best. X

bssh controlled over eating had to chuckle at that. You mentioned several days ago about limiting protein, reminded me of something I've been meaning to research, however laptop playing up and phone is quite basic. Ive been trying to not have animal based protein on fds, not always successful as I seem to recall its the animal sources which conflict with the health reasons for fasting.

bigchoc thanks for putting insulin receptor info into understandable terms. I find that focusing on the health benefits when food is calling keeps me going. I'm never going to cut it as a model, one reason I've accepted chubby in the past.

festivetablerunner what is this Wendy plan? I'm also curious about the simple start, but have no intentions of joining ww to find out.

Someone asked about convent garden soups or tins on FDs, yeah they're great, you know how many cals you're getting and usually a whole one is still under 500. I've recently gone onto tinned. Not as nice but cheaper and usually less cals than the fresh. Anything tastes good after a full days fasting.

Oh btw, I've achieved SWATH, but one more Mincepie or quality street would've tipped the balance. No more mincie boys til December. Sob.

LexingtonBear · 02/01/2014 06:50

...slinks (ok, waddles) back, tail between legs but knowing it is entirely own fault...having lost 2.5st last year on this lovely WOL I (wilfully) committed many cardinal errors in the three months before Christmas - mainly known as booze and snacking - and have put most of it back on. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Feel ready to start again and know it is a do-able and enjoyable process, but cross with myself nonetheless. Look forward to joining you all again - good luck everyone.

Not2bObvious · 02/01/2014 07:08

Morning all, lots of us fasting today I'd say? I haven't eaten since yesterday about 1.30 (bleurgh McD's, don't know why I do it, always feel crap after) and now aiming to continue through til 1.30 today, might have a skinny cappuccino around 10 to keep me going as this is the first time I've attempted a full 24 hours. After that I'm going to stick to 500 for the rest of the day.
Emmie doing 5:2 might be the perfect way to wean yourself off the Special K, it's really v sugary and I always remember a ww leader saying if you start the day on sugar you'll end it that way - always struck a chord with me cause I found myself doing that a lot. Bet we'll be seeing a lot about the Special K 2 week plan over the coming weeksGrin Their form of 5:2, 2 bowls a day will cost you 5 quid a week!
Only 6.5 hours to go til my bowl of soup, best go put the kettle on for a coffee then get ready for work, sigh...

peplum41 · 02/01/2014 07:12

Hi again lexington, you know you've come to the right place. When's your next fast? Hopefully, its like riding a bike, you never forget- but it can be a tad uncomfortable when you've not done it for a while.

I always liked your name.