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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

OP posts:
ditavonteesed · 02/01/2014 18:01

soup was delicious.

whatawonderfulworld · 02/01/2014 18:15

With great difficulty, made it through another FD yesterday.

Did great until about 9pm. From there until bedtime, I was ready to chew my own arm off, but out of calories. Any suggestions? I have always had a late-night snack with DH after DC in bed (terrible habit, I know). It has also tended to be our most unhealthy food consumption as we are quite health conscious with DC. I didn't break last night, but had a terrible time falling asleep. Any other late-night-snackers struggle with this?

BetsyBell · 02/01/2014 18:18

Whatawonderfulworld Well done on yesterday's fast - it does get easier. And yes, it will help you get out of the evening snack habit too.

We should all be aiming for:

NO SNACKING

We don't need to snack. Most snacks are crap and make us fat.

Not2bObvious · 02/01/2014 18:23

Tomato & Garlic soup from the recipe thread for lunch and a small portion of bolognese, no pasta, served it with salad. That's coming in at 350 so 150 left if I chose to use it but not sure what to have or indeed to have anything else at all!
I like the lunchtime to lunchtime fast, but it was prompted by feeling sick so not sure in real life if it works as good. Well done all newbies in your first FD, nearly there!

mummytowillow · 02/01/2014 18:27

I've nearly done my first FD!

Please tell me this is ok:

Stopped eating around 7 last night, had red pepper soup at 12 noon, just had prawn, mushroom and onion omellete. Americano coffee and cup of tea.

All at 380 cals, I've not felt hungry just pinkish should I be starving?

I could fall headfirst into the biscuits but keep telling myself it's one day!

TalkinPeace · 02/01/2014 18:36

mummytowillow
well done. Sounds good to me. if needs be have a big glass of milk before bed so you sleep well.

Whatawonderfulworld
Snacking is terrible for you. It was only invented in the 1970's to 'sell product'
the sooner you can wean yourself off eating at other than meal times the better you will do
and just think .... three biscuits equals a WHOLE 500g TUB of vegetable soup ....
which will fill you up for longer and make you healthier? Wink

Coveredinweetabix · 02/01/2014 18:48

Newbies I thought I'd post about how I found the first few weeks of this WOE in case it helps you through your struggles.

  • The first thing to say is that everyone is different and therefore how you do this WOE is different. IME, several people on this thread tend to avoid carbs and save all of their calories until the evening. It took me a couple of weeks to realise that that doesn't work for me. The best way of fasting for me is to skip breakfast, have a jacket potato with prawns or tuna or something and salad and then, if I need it, have 100 cal or so of something later afternoon or mid evening. I cannot get all the way through until the evening on just fluids.
  • Secondly, it really does get easier. For the first few weeks, I got light headed, got really cross or teary at the smallest things and by about 4pm, I could scarcely function. Of course, that was around the time by two DC (4yo & 18mth) begin to get tired & grumpy so things at home got a bit fraught! I ended up introducing a snack at 4pm which tended to take me over 500cal but meant I didn't hit the biscuit tin later or eat the children's leftovers. Roll on a few weeks, and I don't need the 4pm snack unless it's been a particularly trying day with the DC or they've been sleeping badly. I used to really struggle in the evening so used to have a bath and an early night. A couple of times in the first week or two, I would wake up at about 3am after a FD and be really hungry. If I was still awake 15mins later, I'd go & make some toast. Again, I haven't had to do that for months.
  • Thirdly, drink, drink, drink. I don't particularly like tap water but I do like sparkling water. I realised you can buy supermarket basic water for about 12p a bottle so got loads of that, put one in the fridge every FD and just work my way through it. As I got more used to drinking water rather than squash or tea etc, I realised I do like tap water if it's got lemon or cucumber in so I now put a jug of that in the fridge each day and work my way through that.
  • fourthly, don't eat anything sweet! As soon as something sweet crosses my lips, I want more sweet things and it's hard to ignore it, harder than it is to ignore "just" hunger.
  • fifthly, you don't need breakfast. I always thought I did, thought it was the most important meal of the day etc but began to not have it and now don't miss cereal at all. The key (as with everything in this WOE) is to keep yourself busy. I find getting the kids up & dressed, tidying the kitchen, getting the dishwasher on is enough to get though the initial hunger. If I am still hungry, I get out of the house so I can't raid the biscuit tin.
  • sixthly, you don't have to eat just to be social. If someone offers you a piece of cake, you can say no. You can go to Starbucks - or even the pub - and just have water.
  • seventhly - most people will think you're mad! Just don't bother telling them about it. When people have asked me about how I've lost weight, I've told them by the usual method of eating less & moving more. If they've pressed me further, I've told them how I'm doing this and generally get told "I couldn't do it" but I think most people can if they tried and wanted to lose weight
whatawonderfulworld · 02/01/2014 18:51

So true, BetsyBell and TalkinPeace. I generally eat very well at mealtimes, but it's the snacking that gets me. Especially good cheeses....oh dear. Hopefully this WOE will break the habit. Good point on the tub of veggie soup btw! :)

EarSlaps · 02/01/2014 19:03

Wonderful- if you want good cheeses just have that as a meal.

Covered- mine are the same age as yours. I often eat some veg when they have their tea to tide me over and stop me picking at the left overs.

It's all about mindful eating, rather than just shovelling stuff in because your tummy is rumbling a bit or you're bored.

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mummytowillow · 02/01/2014 19:10

Can I just check something please. My TDEE is 1900 do I need to eat it all? If I don't what will happen, I'm sure it won't be to difficult!

Do you calorie count everything on NFD or just be careful.

Thanks Wink

Not2bObvious · 02/01/2014 19:11

Great post Covered, really shows how you learn/adapt as you go along and different strokes work for different folks. Cheese & pineapple for 130 cals - kitchen is closed!
Looking forward to nfd brekkie Grin

TalkinPeace · 02/01/2014 19:17

mummytowillow
If you are not hungry, do not eat. You'll be hungry another day.

I do not calorie count at all now - but then I've been doing 5:2 for quite a while.

lucyintheskywithdinos · 02/01/2014 19:37

Re snacking, I ate my favourite snack foods as meals at first. I'm a crisp fiend, so I was having tortilla chips and salsa for lunch a couple of times a week. I lost weight doing it, but my tastes have changed so much on this WOE that it doesn't bother me any more.

I do still love crisps, just have them far less often and as part of a meal now.

Successful FD here, looking forward to my chilli olives in a salad tomorrow!

BsshBossh · 02/01/2014 19:42

whatawonderfulworld I no longer snack outside of special occasions/days but I do like "snacky food" sometimes so I simply add it to my main meal, eg Kettle crisps with lunch or some ice cream soon after my evening meal. This way I still leave several hours between meals for my digestion to do its work and it also means I'm sufficiently hungry for my next meal without feeling I've deprived myself.

BsshBossh · 02/01/2014 19:43

X-posted with lucy. Snap :)

Butteredsidedown · 02/01/2014 19:43

FD #1 this year done and dusted.

Clear liquids til lunch, went for a walk to stave off hunger til 1.30.
50 cal veggie soup.
420ish cals on delish chicken stir fry inc a bit of rice.

Feeling gooood. Oh and I treat myself to a Lush bath bomb... Won't do it every FD, maybe just once a week Grin

BsshBossh · 02/01/2014 19:48

mummytowillow as TiP says, don't eat if not hungry. It's important to eat well whilst 5:2ing - it seems to work well when there is a clear contrast between high and low calorie days. But at the same time we all need to learn to eat normally ie eat when hungry, stop eating when satisfied. Besides, if you're like many of us "long termers" you'll find you're under-eating TDEE during the working week and over-eating it at the weekend!

ChubbyKitty · 02/01/2014 20:06

Just had my noodles and I added some chicken breast that was still on the carcass, I could only manage to pick off 25g but it added something.

I do feel quite full now.

Southeastdweller · 02/01/2014 20:06

whatawonderfulworld I do as lucy and Bssh do and add my snacky food to my meal. I think you should make your meals more filling, perhaps by adding more protein but if you still feel compelled to snack at night then have a glass of water instead.

BetsyBell · 02/01/2014 20:11

Wonderful I have been known to replace an evening meal with cheese Grin - one or the other (unless it's Christmas…)

I do really want cheese right now but I know I can will have it tomorrow.

Crisps are most likely to happen as part of a Saturday lunch now - rather than an evening snack (although my DH rather naughtily re-introduced them over Christmas - all gone now though!) And I'm planning a pudding after dinner tomorrow - no deprivation on this WOE just a bit more planning and mindfulness.

MazzleDazzle · 02/01/2014 20:17

Well done mummytowillow. Good job!

36 hours Bsshbossh?! I take my hat off to you. What a pro!

By the way...feel like I was lured to 5:2 with promises of eating what I liked for 5 days and no sooner had I committed myself than I discover I may have to count calories for the 5 days, go without the 500 cals on my 2 days and now...(dramatic drumroll) NO SNACKING? Shock

What have I gotten myself into? Grin

MazzleDazzle · 02/01/2014 20:18
MazzleDazzle · 02/01/2014 20:18
BsshBossh · 02/01/2014 20:38

FD successfully over. Liquids (water, herb tea, black coffee) only for 23 hours then a bowl of blueberries followed by a small bowl of leftover butter bean, spring greens, tomato and mushroom stew.

Now 3 NFDs. Hurrah!

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