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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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somewherebecomingrain · 02/01/2014 09:36

Hey a breast feeder here. I have done as few as 250 cals whilst bf. I don't recommend it in retrospect not cause of supply but because you will boomerang back into a frenzy and undo your good work.

My rule of thumb was 750 but gonna up it to 1000 with relief.

So far had 150 cals porridge.

Frittata for lunch, soup for dinner

Xxx

tomorrowweeat · 02/01/2014 09:39

Return to fasting went well yesterday and I woke up this morning feeling positively euphoric. Like you "Lexington Bear" I regained a lot of the weight I lost earlier in the year. Feels great to be back in control. Not at all hungry so should be able to manage to wait until lunchtime to break my fast quite easily. This feeling is so much better than the pleasure I got from stuffing myself with food and drink. Why on earth did I do that??? Oh well, back on track now. Been watching the BodyBlade on QVC. Anyone tried one? I'm looking at finding some form of exercise but Shred etc is too hard for my poor old, fat body!

BetsyBell · 02/01/2014 09:41

emmy fasted running burns off loads of calories! Go for it (but keep properly hydrated)

dotty try and use this WOE to eat as nutritiously as you can - good for you and good for your baby! Remember that full fat stuff is good for you - on non fast days - so make sure you're eating proper butter, full fat yogurt and lots of nuts and seeds. And obviously loads of fresh veg and fruit and try and avoid the junk, except good chocolate! Make sure you are not going low calorie for the other 5 days.

BetsyBell · 02/01/2014 09:43

Did the dreaded weigh in. 6lbs up. I reckon I'll see that off in 4 fasts.

I hope Grin

BsshBossh · 02/01/2014 09:56

Lots of newcomers! Welcome all Thanks.

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 02/01/2014 09:58

Peplum, Bssh
There are health reasons for not madly overdoing protein on FDs - we want to lower IGF1 levels. However, this needs to be a compromise with maintaining lean body mass and avoiding hunger.
So, go with what is comfortable and filling. Just avoid junk and have plenty of vegetables with it.

I think the type of protein - meat/ fish / beans etc - doesn't matter.

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emmief77 · 02/01/2014 10:04

Thanks betsy, will plan to eat my skinny lasagne when I return from my run Grin... Would you suggest I had a soup or similar at lunchtime, it is my mindset that you need to eat at least a couple of horse before exercise... Old habits die hard!

Eatriskier · 02/01/2014 10:25

Wow - lots of newbies popping up - welcome to you all. Don't think too much about starting, or you may put yourself off. Just fling yourself in head first, and once your first fast day is over you'll see its doable!

FD here for me. Whilst I lost over Xmas my excesses then were alcohol based and I wasn't too bad with food (worse than I hoped by far far better than I would have been previously) the last two days I've gone nuts. I ate constantly yesterday which is something I've not done since I've started this WOE. Will see the damage tomorrow, but thankfully I lost over my target so a few pounds on won't do me much harm. As bad as it sounds I'm quite glad DH is back at work. Its far easier to be active without him under my feet and it feels like everything is getting back to normal.

My first fitbit stopped working a while back and my replacement one glitched for a few days. Thankfully it seems to be back to normal now Shock

Good luck today's fasters, well done all you losers and well done to all those who had LSVs over the festive period!

DinoSnores · 02/01/2014 10:32

Good morning. FD here too and it is a busy day I've got, so that should help keep me distracted. Off for a walk to the library with DD now but proper exercise will have to wait until this evening.

ImABadGirl · 02/01/2014 10:51

Hello all, fast day for me today and have started the day with a berrocca vitamin thing, not sure whether it's a placebo but seems to make me feel a lot better.

I last ate at 1930 last night so will see how long I can go without food, I lasted 18 hours the other day and didn't really feel hungry, I love this WOE Grin

emmief77 · 02/01/2014 11:05

So looks like I'm going to be stuck in house until my run later, DD just surfaced from bed but has holiday homework to do... I would like to use the time to menu plan whilst keeping an eye on DD...

emmief77 · 02/01/2014 11:31

Forgot to ask for menu plan tips?

MotherGirth · 02/01/2014 11:38

Hi. I've been here before under a different name back in May. I struggled with fasting and exhaustion (one not great sleeper and one appalling sleeper). However I've been doing some sleep training with DS in the hope of getting my life, and weight, back on track.

Today is my first fast day. I'm also on the 52lbs in 52 weeks thread. This target would take me well into my ideal range by the end of the year.

Anyone here sharing MFP usernames?

MotherGirth · 02/01/2014 11:40

Just noticed BadGirl's comment about Berocca. I've got some. Does anyone else use it?

ChubbyKitty · 02/01/2014 11:51

I would like to do noodles for dinner, and the way I make them they have loads of noodle water which I always drink after and I feel all warm and full but it's actually just slightly flavoured hot water so it's good..?

I'm prepared to be told that's silly.

BetsyBell · 02/01/2014 12:01

emmie my personal preference is to exercise first thing in the morning. However the reality of this is I don't like exercising any other time if day so therefore rarely do enough! I'm trying to change this mindset as my current goal.

I would probably have a light lunch if I were exercising later in the day - soup would be ideal.

ImABadGirl · 02/01/2014 12:29

mother mine's bobaggins if you want to be my friend on MFP and anyone else if they so please

emmief77 · 02/01/2014 12:36

Thanks betsy soup for lunch, yum

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 02/01/2014 13:25

Betsy, Emmie Just starting to discuss food timing and content on the exercise thread Here
I have most of my cals at lunch, then nothing until after evening training.

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hopefulgum · 02/01/2014 13:33

Just finished another fast day . Tomorrow morning I will,weigh myself. Got my fingers crossed that there will be a SV to celebrate .

I had a long walk on the beach and a swim this morning but when I got home I felt really tired and had to lie down. I don't know if it is because I was fasting but I listened to my body and had a rest and was fine after that. I made the carrot and coriander soup for a light lunch ( recipe from the recipe thread ) which was very delicious and comforting. Then I had chicken and veggies for dinner. The chicken was so delicious I may have gone a bit over 500 today but it wouldn't be by much.

I am in bed now and still feel a bit hungry but I know I will still sleep well and then look forward to a yummy breakfast in the morning.

I also ordered some of the miracle noodles online so I can't wait to give them a try. Any hints and tips about how to use them?

Chubbykitty I don't think eating noodles and drinking the water is silly. If it fills you up and you stay under 500 calories why should it be an issue?

Bigchoc I agree with what you were saying about the use of statins for cholesterol up thread. I think they are massively over prescribed and that good cholesterol is considered a problem when it shouldn't be. I read in one book that Lipitor makes about 9 million dollars a day. Shock Seems impossible, but believable. I also think there are huge misunderstandings about animal fats and how they affect the human body, not necessarily always in a bad way. But that's a whole other discussion Grin

annielewis · 02/01/2014 13:35

Mothergirth I take Berocca - (they are 5 cals by the way if youre being v strict on MFP) I feel like they def help me ward of the colds etc around at this time of year.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 02/01/2014 13:41

Hello everyone Smile.

DH back to work today. I was not happy. He has said he won't be late so I am hoping that means he will come home early.

DS1 at PIL for the day and over night.

We did some shopping in the way to PIL then I took DD and DS2 to get shoes and we also went to a couple of other shops.

BoyCat been AWOL all morning and finally got home about 12pm. With a mouse. I was not happy but thankfully DS2 just picked it up and got rid of it. I have cleaned both bathrooms, loaded the dryer, washer and dishwasher, hoovered the landing and refereed DD being a moo to DS2. Several times.

Nothing to eat yet today, barely had an water so will rectify that immediately. This is definitely a FD. I have cauliflower cheese for dinner. I bought it a week ago as just fancied it and haven't been well enough to eat it. Has to be today as use by and comes in about 530 iirc.

Still feel grotty, breathless at times, feel sick, still odd cough and sore throat. Feel like I am on the mend though but will take a few more days. I promise not to post any more moans.

woodchuck · 02/01/2014 13:51

I am nearly at the end of my first FD period! I last had a meal at 3pm yesterday, and have used my 500 calories on a banana and a slice of toast with peanut butter (I still have an apple looking at me from my desk!)

It has been fine. I missed my coffee this morning, as I take milk and didn't want to break my fast til after 10. I have felt tired and headachey most of the day but not sure if this is related to the fast or because it is my first day back at work and I have had to get up early after lots of lovely lazy mornings.

I didn't feel hungry until lunchtime today, and felt ok after I had eaten. Probably the hardest bit was when I had a bit of a rumble last night, knowing there was still loads of cheese, chocolate and wine in the kitchen. I have been drinking loads of water and lemon and ginger tea, and am feeling nice and hydrated.

I have not done any exercise today, outside of a few stretches this morning. I am fairly sedentary at the moment during the week, and have been trying to find ways to increase my activity. I have been doing the 7 minute challenge, to get a burst of high intensity activity into my day, and am thinking about bringing a pair of trainers to work on Fast Days and taking a half hour walk instead of a lunch period.

How do you find exercising on FD? Do you feel weak, or that you tire quickly?

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 02/01/2014 14:01

WoodChuck I am a gym bunny, so I found fasted training easy. In fact it cuts off hunger for the day, if done in the evening. Sundays, I train fasted in the morning.

If you are not used to IF or exercising, take it slowly. Try 30 mins of any exercise you would enjoy.

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 02/01/2014 14:35

Just had a piece of bacon and stilton pull-apart. I just needed something. I can see that having bread is not good on FD but I will be sure to resist having another piece. Will have early dinner and then try for a 16:8 fast to kick start everything as I do still have a stone to loose and need to get my head back in the right place.

Pleased I got the bathrooms done but annoyed it meant I missed an important phone call and can't call back as don't have the number.

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