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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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WhoahThereCrazyHorse · 24/06/2013 17:13

Aaaaaaargh! Please help me, I am eating cheese!!!! Fasting today, had tea at 6.30 yesterday and didn't eat until 3.30 today. 5 olives and 5g of almonds, but now is my worst time - making tea for the kids which is pasta bolognese with some cheese melted on top.

Have just mindlessly eaten 2 bits of cheddar (about 20g each) - please help me stop!!!!!

BetsyBell · 24/06/2013 17:21

STEP AWAY FROM THE CHEESE CRAZY HORSE RIGHT NOW (you can have it tomorrow Grin )

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Dotty342kids · 24/06/2013 17:23

sotired ooh, that looks lovely. I really like trout so might have to try that one out.

Today has been very busy at work so the fasting aspect has been fine as not had time to stop and think!
Tea in half an hour Smile

SoTiredAgain · 24/06/2013 18:22

Dotty it was the first time I made it. Was lovely. All zingy-zangy. There was plenty of sauce too. I had it with cod fillet though.

peplum41 · 24/06/2013 18:50

Thanks Betsy, no Biscuit in my house because they end up in my tum, then on it. I love the reminder we can have it tomorrow. And hi to greeneggs, we miss you!

Mehefin, ((waves)) I wondered where you'd got to. I love bringing 5:2 habits into holiday, but then still enjoying the food. Whatcha up to in London then? Id like to get down there soon to revisit the museums, as last time I was there I was full of cold. Id also like to see where the Olympics was held.

Miffy, depending on my moods, Im either fasting with 500 but only 2 days a week, usually Mon and Thurs one week Fri the next, but I also mini-fast to cut the weekly cals a tad and get some IGF time. Im trying 16:8 if a minifast or Full on fast isn't convenient. Today was supposed to be a fast, but it went a bit pear shaped at 2pm when I was offered Wine. Im still well under TDEE, and was yesterday when I did a 16:8, so Im sure it will balance out.

woahthere, its not that bad! Just last out til bedtime, you can do it.

cat Are you trying to build up your fasting time? It gets easier, like using a muscle, needs training, but easy does it is best. A ryvita and a carrot, lol. At least its twice a week not every day.

Bssh thanks for the Dr Mercola link, how interesting. Hes like my dh's guru, but he wont take fasting on board, yet!

ELR · 24/06/2013 19:26

bssh thanks for the link, it was good reading and has reminded me of the benefits of fasting and am really going to try to cut out the sugary carbs which of late I've been eating lie there's no tomorrow.
sotired I used to love green tea but I can't drink it anymore as it makes me feel sick it started happening on fast days id have a cup and then half an hour to an hour later I'd start to feel sick, at first I thought it was just a one off ten it started happening every fast day. Weird!

JB30 · 24/06/2013 19:28

Did just over a 4 mile jog, not fast not pretty but it's done. I have a grand total of 41 cals left, that's if I am 100% strict on the 500...ooh I am hungry Sad May e some strawberrys and a cuppa. Really looking forward to my nfd that's for sure! Nsv for the first time today, trousers that I couldn't close without serious & dangerous spillage closed quite neatly! Popped them in wash, will wear again next Monday, see if they are a tad looser then.
Tired now, be an early night round mine, probably no harm considering I'm eyeing up the bikkies

BsshBossh · 24/06/2013 19:38

blue2 I suppose this is a bit late for you now, but I love prawn and spinach curry - just simply made with ground cumin, ground coriander, turmerc, bit of salt and some freshly diced tomatoes.

DH is on his way home and will be making chicken noodle soup (with ramen noodles, homemade stock and spring onions). I'm really looking forward to it.

Not eating all day really makes me savour a good, proper meal. It's the main reason I no longer like to snack between meals too - because building up an appetite really helps me appreciate dinner etc.

Okay, 1.5 hours to go!

IDismyname · 24/06/2013 19:56

Oh thanks Bssh - I'm about to commence cooking. Got all the spices and a couple of tomatoes in the fridge.

Its just me tonight, so I'm going to get going NOW!!!

BsshBossh · 24/06/2013 19:58

Enjoy blue!

SoTiredAgain · 24/06/2013 20:21

Gosh, bssh that's a late dinner!

Nsv - ordered these in size ten and they fit comfortably around the wais! Yay! am ignoring the podge at the front

SoTiredAgain · 24/06/2013 20:22

*waist

I don't agree that my brain is sharper on fds.

BsshBossh · 24/06/2013 20:32

SoTired yep, weekday dinners are always around 9 as DH doesn't return home until then and I like to eat with him. My 5yo eats at 5pm though (in bed by 7.30). Am completely used to it now. In India (where the rest of my family live) they don't eat dinner until 10!

mehefin · 24/06/2013 20:34

Hi Peplum Art galleries, maybe Greenwich and I'm also walking the Thames Path bit by bit have got out as far as Hampton Court. Not going 'til September but I'm really looking forward to it.

I'm still finding fasting is making the night shifts easier are you ?

peplum41 · 24/06/2013 20:50

sotired nice pants, if you're worried about about your podge, it will soon disappear. If I was a 10, I'd order those. I agree with you about the mental clarity, but then I'm not the sharpest tool in the box anyway.

bsshbossh just half an hour to go!

ceebeegeebies, I've not joined yet, just using my beez card, so I go to the nice gym on sat pm at Darwen health centre, but in the week I have to make do with the shadsworth one, at least its free. If I can stick to it, I may treat myself to a membership. Where do you do your gym bunnying? Great to hear about Robbie and Olly, and your new knickers brambles!

peplum41 · 24/06/2013 20:58

Oh hi mehefin, that sounds great, I like the sound of the Thames walk. Im amazed at how much less I eat on n/s these days, I used to eat all night. Many a time I took fruit to eat, which never left my bag, but I ate loads of chocolate, crisps and cheese on toast. I'm used to not eating at all after about 12:30 now. I also sleep really well on my nights off. I've also found I sleep better in the day on an empty stomach, when before that kept me awake.

ELR · 24/06/2013 21:01

bssh thanks for that tip about prawn and spinach! That's my fast day dinner sorted for tomorrow, do you add any chilli, or garlic?

Right I've come to the conclusion I'm trying to self sabotage my efforts, usually I hardly eat much in the way of sweets, chocolate or biscuits but I do like a bit of homemade cake. Anyway for the last two weeks I have literally been eating anything in sight and really over doing it.
Last week I only managed one fast which was a 650 cal one and then I did Thursday as a 16:8 and Sunday as a 18:6. I've gone over my tdee a little each day but not massively. The worst thing is that at least half my calories each day have been on things beging with a C, crisps, chocolate, cake, cookies and crap carbs. It's pretty terrible and I feel really guilty for eating like this, it's just not the way I normally eat even pre 5:2 I just used to eat too much of the good stuff but never all this rubbish.
So from tomorrow I am seriously limiting the C foods and am gonna get back on track and get into the 9's I'm so close I've been the same weight since 10th May give or take 1/2 a pound!
I'm writing it down here to make it real. Sorry epic post!

JB30 · 24/06/2013 21:06

Wow SoTired size 10 is a dream of mine. Do you mind me asking what size you started at and how long to this point. N

JB30 · 24/06/2013 21:06

Was about to say nice trews! Stupid touchscreen

SoTiredAgain · 24/06/2013 21:13

bssh I totally get it re: late dinner now.

My family, growing up, must have been the only Asians who were finished eating by 7 pm. Whenever we went to parents' friends houses, we would not get started till 9/9.30/10 pm. It's still the same for my parents - when they or their friends have parties, they don't eat till 10 pm. My mum loves to tell me with Hmm face, "and we didn't have pudding till 11.30." Grin

We eat at 5-5.30 pm because DS eats at then and DP is also starving. I have just got used to it!

Talkinpeace · 24/06/2013 21:15

ELR
Guilt is a negative, passive emotion. Feel annoyed with yourself, not guilty.
There will be a reason that you are hiding behind food at the moment. Identify it, get annoyed with it and find another way to deal with it - kickboxing Wink

JB30 Hold on to that dream. You'll get there.

ceebeegeebies · 24/06/2013 21:18

Sotiredagain - love those trousers, I have been looking for some like that (but being 5ft 8, not in petite Grin )

Peplum - I go to both DW gyms depending on what classes are on. I do struggle to fit enough classes in as I would like as DH works away quite a bit and we have no one to look after the DC. On average, I probably manage 3-4 classes a week.

SoTiredAgain · 24/06/2013 21:26

JB30 It's taken a long time to get to this size and I am still not happy. About 2 years ago I weighed around 11 stones and was a robust size 14, bordering on 16 ( I am only 4ft 10). I lost a stone by cutting back on my portions and then stalled. I tried GI way of living, along with mfp, and I lost 2 more stones, down to 8 stones. But once I lost the weight and maintained for a bit I got lazy and started eating too much again and when I weighed myself on 1st June I weighed 8 stones 12. I have lost 5 pounds since then.

I know size 10 is small and it used to be a dream of mine to get back down to this size. But I am a flabby size ten. I still have a lot of fat on me and no muscle tone. Absolutely none. I want to be lean and toned. I'd rather be a size 12, all tight and toned, rather than the blob I am at the moment.

It sounds like I am down on me. I am not - honest Grin. I'm so thrilled that I have lost 5lbs in 3 weeks and I am doing 30 day shred so hopefully, I will get to where I want to be in terms of fat ratio.

(Sorry for the essay).

BsshBossh · 24/06/2013 21:28

SoTired yes, we were the only Indians we knew that ate around 7-8pm (that is, mum, dad and me when I was growing up) and my mum too (like yours!) still tells me with a Hmm when dinner isn't served until 9 or 10 pm at Indian dinner parties Grin.

ELR yes you can add chilli, garlic and ginger. BTW, don't feel guilty - transform that guilt into an action plan for change. No snacking!